On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Frank Shearar <[email protected]>wrote:
> On 24 September 2011 20:51, Mariano Martinez Peck <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Frank Shearar <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> On 24 September 2011 20:40, Mariano Martinez Peck < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Frank Shearar < > [email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On 24 September 2011 20:01, Mariano Martinez Peck > >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Well...Martin and I have been working a little bit this week and > here > >> >> > is > >> >> > a > >> >> > post explaining it: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/importing-and-exporting-packages-with-fuel/ > >> >> > >> >> Cool! > >> >> > >> >> If I understand correctly, Fuel and Monticello (1; I don't know > >> >> anything about 2 other than noone seems to use it but it's much > >> >> better) accomplish two different things though: Fuel's a mechanism to > >> >> quickly load a bunch of stuff, while Monticello's much more > >> >> introspective: mainly, a bunch of definitions of things, with a > >> >> history pointing to previous versions of the package. > >> >> > >> > > >> > Yes. > >> > > >> >> > >> >> I don't see how Fuel could replace Monticello, > >> > > >> > No, Fuel won't replace Monticello at all. They are different things. > >> > >> Ah, OK. That means I misinterpreted "As you may imagine the idea is > >> that maybe in the future we can replace Monticello’ mcz with Fuel > >> packages." You meant in the sense of an mcz being something you load > >> in your image, not somehow extending Fuel to a version control system > >> (which would ... not make sense :) ). > >> > > > > Exactly. Maybe the comment was not clear. What I mean is to change > > Monticello in the way that instead of serializing code into a mzc that > > contains the sources and the use the compiler, use Fuel to directly > > store/load the code in a binary way. > > Is that better explained? > > I think it's just my careless reading. The rest of the article's quite > clear - "As you may know, Fuel is a plain object graph serializer. No > more than that." - and so on. > > :) > I can't wait: a super fast package loader makes it cheap and easy to > build up images from recipes. Nice! > > Yes, me too. Problem is that neither Martin or I know very much about Monticello. Even more, we prefer to focus in Fuel itself. We consider Fuel Package Loader as a proof of concept for a real project. Hopefully, someone can join and take care of it. Otherwise, we will try to make progres, but slowly :( > frank > > >> >> then, except in the > >> >> sense of "here's a chunk of stuff you can load into your image" - > >> >> which makes me think that one could simply replace the snapshot.bin > >> >> with a snapshot.fuel (or simply put it in the same directory, for a > >> >> loss in space but a gain in compatibility) and you'd have a much > >> >> faster loading mcz, right? > >> > > >> > Exactly. With Monticello right now you have to compile the sources.st > , > >> > which > >> > may be slow and even more you need the compiler. The idea is to > >> > experiment a > >> > way of using Monticello to directly store binary/already compiled > code. > >> > This way, it may be faster for exporting/importing the code. > >> > So....in summary, we will try to experiment to replace only a small > part > >> > of > >> > Monticello ;) > >> > >> Ah, excellent! I can't wait! > >> > >> >> frank > >> >> > >> >> > Cheers > >> >> > > >> >> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe > >> >> > <[email protected]> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 23 Sep 2011, at 11:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Cool Martin. Now I could do it as well. I have exported the > groups > >> >> >> > 'Core', 'Tests' and 'Zinc-Seaside'. > >> >> >> > Then I materialize it a clean image and all tests (1567) are > >> >> >> > green. > >> >> >> > And > >> >> >> > it only takes 7 seconds :) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Great ! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I want to try this myself soon. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sven > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> seaside mailing list > >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Mariano > >> >> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Mariano > >> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
