Hmmm, I don't think that Fuel has to be related with Monticello. They have different intentions :).
But having binary packaging is great! :) What comes next is a way of organize the binary distributions :P. Guille On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < [email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Frank Shearar > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On 24 September 2011 20:51, Mariano Martinez Peck <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Frank Shearar <[email protected] >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 24 September 2011 20:40, Mariano Martinez Peck < >> [email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Frank Shearar < >> [email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On 24 September 2011 20:01, Mariano Martinez Peck >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Well...Martin and I have been working a little bit this week and >> here >> >> >> > is >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > post explaining it: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/importing-and-exporting-packages-with-fuel/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Cool! >> >> >> >> >> >> If I understand correctly, Fuel and Monticello (1; I don't know >> >> >> anything about 2 other than noone seems to use it but it's much >> >> >> better) accomplish two different things though: Fuel's a mechanism >> to >> >> >> quickly load a bunch of stuff, while Monticello's much more >> >> >> introspective: mainly, a bunch of definitions of things, with a >> >> >> history pointing to previous versions of the package. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Yes. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't see how Fuel could replace Monticello, >> >> > >> >> > No, Fuel won't replace Monticello at all. They are different things. >> >> >> >> Ah, OK. That means I misinterpreted "As you may imagine the idea is >> >> that maybe in the future we can replace Monticello’ mcz with Fuel >> >> packages." You meant in the sense of an mcz being something you load >> >> in your image, not somehow extending Fuel to a version control system >> >> (which would ... not make sense :) ). >> >> >> > >> > Exactly. Maybe the comment was not clear. What I mean is to change >> > Monticello in the way that instead of serializing code into a mzc that >> > contains the sources and the use the compiler, use Fuel to directly >> > store/load the code in a binary way. >> > Is that better explained? >> >> I think it's just my careless reading. The rest of the article's quite >> clear - "As you may know, Fuel is a plain object graph serializer. No >> more than that." - and so on. >> >> > :) > > >> I can't wait: a super fast package loader makes it cheap and easy to >> build up images from recipes. Nice! >> >> > Yes, me too. Problem is that neither Martin or I know very much about > Monticello. Even more, we prefer to focus in Fuel itself. We consider Fuel > Package Loader as a proof of concept for a real project. Hopefully, someone > can join and take care of it. Otherwise, we will try to make progres, but > slowly :( > > > > >> frank >> >> >> >> then, except in the >> >> >> sense of "here's a chunk of stuff you can load into your image" - >> >> >> which makes me think that one could simply replace the snapshot.bin >> >> >> with a snapshot.fuel (or simply put it in the same directory, for a >> >> >> loss in space but a gain in compatibility) and you'd have a much >> >> >> faster loading mcz, right? >> >> > >> >> > Exactly. With Monticello right now you have to compile the >> sources.st, >> >> > which >> >> > may be slow and even more you need the compiler. The idea is to >> >> > experiment a >> >> > way of using Monticello to directly store binary/already compiled >> code. >> >> > This way, it may be faster for exporting/importing the code. >> >> > So....in summary, we will try to experiment to replace only a small >> part >> >> > of >> >> > Monticello ;) >> >> >> >> Ah, excellent! I can't wait! >> >> >> >> >> frank >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheers >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe >> >> >> > <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 23 Sep 2011, at 11:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cool Martin. Now I could do it as well. I have exported the >> groups >> >> >> >> > 'Core', 'Tests' and 'Zinc-Seaside'. >> >> >> >> > Then I materialize it a clean image and all tests (1567) are >> >> >> >> > green. >> >> >> >> > And >> >> >> >> > it only takes 7 seconds :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Great ! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I want to try this myself soon. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sven >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> seaside mailing list >> >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Mariano >> >> >> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Mariano >> >> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mariano >> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >
