Jimmie Houchin <[email protected]> writes: > I am all for improving our editing experience. But I want it in my > image and not in Emacs/vi. I would rather see our world improved than > to see it require an external editor which sees code as text, not > objects, where different external editors have differing features. Well I suggest then to start with adding an Editor which deserves that name. By all means the editors in any Smalltalk are poor. And now that you mention Emacs. There is nothing comparable to this Editor for Text editing in any Smalltalk world-wide. So yes you an live within the live "objects!" but you have to leave them whenever you want to write something more but 5 lines of code. > > And yes, I am thoroughly pro Pharo. Do I believe there are > deficiencies. Yes. I just don't believe the GUI being non-standard, > the image, and the editor being in the image are not among them. And I > don't believe that challenges to those things should go unchallenged > and accepted just because somebody Ah yes another thing which wouuld be nice to have something with one can understand without studying it for years and repeated tries. A simple way of building somewhat resembling GUI applications in Pharo/Squeak. Ah yes flame me that I do appreciate the fantastic Morph world. It's so fantastic that just the developers can build a somewhat "usable" interface with it. Tell me about the "great" applicatons using Morph (anything besides yet another Browser please) > > And yes, I am just as opinionated about my perceptions of the > deficiencies of Python, Clojure, Ruby, Eclipse, Netbeans, ... > Or my frustrations when using them. > I just don't go into those communities expecting them to shape their > favorite tool to my vision. I rather try to use their tools and > attempt to learn their values and ways, assuming they have reason and > purpose for their language and tools. Well at least you get an Editor with Eclipse and Netbeans. But yeah we don't need not stinking Editor. > The biggest problem is people visiting a community and believing they > have the right to speak into that community. If you want that right, > spend some time here. Develop community relations. Then in time you > earn that right to be heard. He has all the right to write what he wants. You have to cope with that, you can agree or disagree. That's up to you but you are not the ape at the door to prohibit his entry. > > I have limited rights to be heard here because I have been a part of > the Squeak/Pharo community for a long time. I have less rights than > others because I haven't contributed anything of consequence. Others > who have been here far less time but have contributed a lot more, have > greater rights. This is poor attitude. Just imagine Denis Ritchie would come here, with no experience of Smalltalk at all. Wouldn't he have the right to state his opinion?
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