ok I think I found something you may like this
http://codemonkeyism.com/comparing-java-and-python-is-java-10x-more-verbose-than-python-loc-a-modest-empiric-approach/ ________________________________ From: dimitris chloupis <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012, 18:58 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? sorry could not find it , nor I remember the name, I have seen one or two . But in any case I think the comparison is obvious. If you visit the language game , the code required by python is usually 2x 3x times less for the same thing. http://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=language%20game&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fshootout.alioth.debian.org%2F&ei=U3olT9_qM4mg0QXFm7TOCg&usg=AFQjCNGFEQY5YsieJO4vPgY-7-9VgoiqHw&sig2=oHKbzwA35yA4puN27g1IIA ________________________________ From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012, 16:12 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? Reference, please :) I fully believe it. Bill ________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Michael Haupt [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:44 AM To: [email protected]; dimitris chloupis Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? Dimitris, this is very interesting; I've always wanted to read that kind of study. Do you have a pointer? Thanks, Michael Am 29.01.2012 um 08:51 schrieb dimitris chloupis <[email protected]>: Maybe not for smalltalk but for python there is a number of surveys that prove that by replacing java with python you can scale down developing time by 2-3x times. By "prove" I mean projects that have actually done that. Not quite a 10x but I think its impressive non the less and I think the numbers wont be very dissimilar for smalltalk > > > >________________________________ > From: Michael Haupt <[email protected]> >To: "[email protected]" ><[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012, 23:29 >Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? > >Janko, > >Am 28.01.2012 um 21:08 schrieb Janko Mivšek <[email protected]>: >>> I think this is a post that clearly illustrates the big problem with >>> smalltalk. The very fact that is compared with Java and Java survives. >> >> Yes, that 4-5 peole can do what 50 Java people are needed is both a >> blessing and a curse :) > >I wanted to ask this earlier: is there actual evidence for this, or is it just >boasting? > >> Blessing because of productivity, curse because >> we are not able to scale beyond one highly connected development group. >> We don't have project management practices and tools, while Java guys >> have because they need them from the start. > >I'm not so sure the people at those Smalltalk firms building software for >banks et al. have no project management. Boasting? ;-) > >Best, > >Michael > > >
