Hi Dimitris, the Greek Google link does not work for me for some reason; maybe the shootout server is down ... in any case I strongly doubt that the shootout benchmarks (if that's where the link was supposed to point to) say anything about productivity.
The other link is not what I was expecting, sorry. For one, the blog entry does not really say anything about productivity. It is all about LOC, which is a poor metric for productivity. The blog post certainly does not "prove that by replacing java with python you can scale down developing time by 2-3x times", to quote you. Having to write, say, 50 % of the LOC in no way means you need half the time. Staying tuned for more, Michael Am 29.01.2012 um 18:06 schrieb dimitris chloupis <[email protected]>: > ok I think I found something you may like > > this > > http://codemonkeyism.com/comparing-java-and-python-is-java-10x-more-verbose-than-python-loc-a-modest-empiric-approach/ > > From: dimitris chloupis <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012, 18:58 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? > > sorry could not find it , nor I remember the name, I have seen one or two . > But in any case I think the comparison is obvious. If you visit the language > game , the code required by python is usually 2x 3x times less for the same > thing. > > http://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=language%20game&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fshootout.alioth.debian.org%2F&ei=U3olT9_qM4mg0QXFm7TOCg&usg=AFQjCNGFEQY5YsieJO4vPgY-7-9VgoiqHw&sig2=oHKbzwA35yA4puN27g1IIA > > From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012, 16:12 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? > > Reference, please :) I fully believe it. > > Bill > > > > > > From: [email protected] > [[email protected]] on behalf of Michael Haupt > [[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:44 AM > To: [email protected]; dimitris chloupis > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? > > Dimitris, > > this is very interesting; I've always wanted to read that kind of study. Do > you have a pointer? > > Thanks, > > Michael > > Am 29.01.2012 um 08:51 schrieb dimitris chloupis <[email protected]>: > >> Maybe not for smalltalk but for python there is a number of surveys that >> prove that by replacing java with python you can scale down developing time >> by 2-3x times. By "prove" I mean projects that have actually done that. Not >> quite a 10x but I think its impressive non the less and I think the numbers >> wont be very dissimilar for smalltalk >> >> From: Michael Haupt <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012, 23:29 >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? >> >> Janko, >> >> Am 28.01.2012 um 21:08 schrieb Janko Mivšek <[email protected]>: >> >> I think this is a post that clearly illustrates the big problem with >> >> smalltalk. The very fact that is compared with Java and Java survives. >> > >> > Yes, that 4-5 peole can do what 50 Java people are needed is both a >> > blessing and a curse :) >> >> I wanted to ask this earlier: is there actual evidence for this, or is it >> just boasting? >> >> > Blessing because of productivity, curse because >> > we are not able to scale beyond one highly connected development group. >> > We don't have project management practices and tools, while Java guys >> > have because they need them from the start. >> >> I'm not so sure the people at those Smalltalk firms building software for >> banks et al. have no project management. Boasting? ;-) >> >> Best, >> >> Michael >> >> > > > >
