On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <[email protected]>wrote:
> Göran, > > Thanks for what you do, and for noticing what I (at least try) to > contribute. Some other "tangible" items in my queue *will* be worth the > wait[*]. I sincerely hope you are correct about a misunderstanding being > at the base of thread. > > Hopefully, we can all dust ourselves off [**] and make FFI robust > everywhere. > > Best regards, > > Bill > > [*] I know I've said this for essentially Pharo's entire life cycle, but > it's true... Callbacks, my kingdom for callbacks. > Callbacks in Cog work. The threaded VM needs work, but synchronous callbacks from blocking FFI calls work now. You may have to integrate image-level code but the VM has support and it works. > > [**] Some US slang for Stef's benefit :) > > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [ > [email protected]] on behalf of Göran Krampe [ > [email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:05 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found > > Hi guys! > > On 01/09/2012 09:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 09 Jan 2012, at 20:06, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> I think you have the situation very much in reverse. You are flying > off the handle, not me. > >> > >> Cog deserves better than to ignore feedback from motivated users. > Motivated users deserve better than to be insulted for their efforts to > improve it. > > > > Pharo, Squeak, Cog, Seaside, and most other Smalltalk software on > SqueakSource is open source, written almost exclusively by people in their > free time. And although most of them will try to help the users of their > software the best they can, they cannot and should not do just anything > unless they want to. The relation between open source authors and their > users should be mutually productive. Using software and giving feedback if > one thing, but it is not enough. It can't be one way all the time. > > > > I might be wrong, but I fail to find > > > > - any issues you put in the issue tracker(s) > > - any issues you solved > > - any open source software you published on SqueakSource or anywhere else > > - any blog post or web pages with documentation, tutorials, .. that you > wrote > > > > I hope you get the point: there are many more ways to contribute than > what you are doing now. > > > > Pharo and other projects need all the help they can get, give back to > the community, we are all using software written by others in the same > spirit, it is only fair to honor these contributions. > > > > My 2c, > > This thread is long dead but I just wanted to mention that Wilhelm > Schwab is a long time Squeaker and has been active in the community long > before Pharo was even born. ;) > > Now, it seems to me that the "heat" in this particular thread was based > on a misunderstanding, I know Eliot and it didn't seem to me he was > trying to insult. > > General observation: Try taking it easy on the "what the heck have you > done for us?"-talk. I have made several such similar posts too over the > years when I got frustrated, but it might backfire if you aren't > shooting at the "right people". We take pride in being a friendly > community (Smalltalk at large) and I presume Pharo does too :) > > regards, Göran > > > -- best, Eliot
