Sig,

I did some reading on the tracker, and while I don't fully follow, it sounds 
like my problem might be fixed by starting over and using a standard vm????  Is 
there a fix that can go in 1.4, because I'm seeing something like this there 
too.

Bill




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From: [email protected] 
[[email protected]] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K 
[[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Bug Tracker] Issues tagged 1.3

Here is the item that I think needs a fix (if one exists):

> (1) can't open debugger

seem to be you victim of
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5167&q=finalization&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Milestone%20Difficulty
its indeed prevents debugger from starting in some cases

This is an excerpt from

From: Igor Stasenko <siguctua@...>
Subject: Re: 1.4 - better from Jenkins
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.pharo.devel
Date: 2012-02-10 09:43:34 GMT (2 weeks, 5 hours and 43 minutes ago)

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From: [email protected] 
[[email protected]] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K 
[[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Bug Tracker] Issues tagged 1.3

Guys,

I'm hoping Sig will see this an immediately know what is at play.  I don't even 
know if there is a fix, but there appears to be in 1.4.  If backporting that to 
1.3 is feasible, it should be done.  I *think* I know some keywords that might 
pull his relevant reply (something like "you are a victim of") from the 
archive.  Can't do it right now.

BTW,  I took Stef's reply and used it to good effect - might have even figured 
out why I couldn't build images.  All part of testing.  If you look, you'll 
find code of mine in the image.  Have you noted some of my responses to help 
others - probably not.  But I would rather not play "I haven't seen" games.

Bill

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From: [email protected] 
[[email protected]] on behalf of Sven Van 
Caekenberghe [[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:02 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Bug Tracker] Issues tagged 1.3

On 24 Feb 2012, at 11:12, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:

> There is a tracker entry, but please understand it's the middle of the night 
> here and I'm in and out.  I think Sig will know the details more off the top, 
> otherwise I'll search later.  Would you rather I say nothing about a known 
> bug?

I can't find anything with Schwab, Bill or Wilhelm in any issue ever in 
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list (there are a handful that are more 
than half a year old, magically you even received help). I read this mailing 
list all the time, I can't remember seeing a concrete, reproduceable bug 
report. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

Some, like Stef, even took the trouble of trying to load some of the stuff that 
was causing you trouble, only to report that it worked for them.

I and many others ask for help and report problems here all the time. It is 
incredible how people spring up all the time to help others with both simple 
and deep problems. It is often so that the one reporting a problem did 
something wrong himself, I am guilty here as well, but even then people took 
the trouble to look and give some of their valuable time.

The way you ask the question makes a huge difference: provide details, make it 
reproduceable, don't include negative stuff.

I'll make you a promise: I'll give you some of my personal time to try whatever 
you report next as 'BAD bug, makes 1.3 unstable, rendering the image useless', 
provided there is a description of how I should do it.

Sven








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