On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[email protected] > wrote:
> > On Mar 30, 2012, at 9:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > This is a chicken and egg problem. > > And a popularity contest game as well. > > > > Without one click, you'll piss people off fast and they'll go look > elsewhere. Then you loose traction and that's bad. > > > > If I didn't had one click, I wouldn't have been learning as fast as I've > been. > > I agree with you. > > > Now I do have all pieces from different locations (even wanting to build > the VM on my own). > > > > For contrast, look at another community I am part of: Tiki Wiki CMS > Groupware. The system is topping SourceForge number of downloads, > committers, and is a general success for intranets in companies. > > > > Of course, the paradigm isn't pure at all, but easy enough to have a lot > of people contributing good stuff. > > > > We are at version 9 and I don't know any other package that is as > feature rich when it comes to the web. > > We are talking more than a million lines of code here. > > Now, we are moving further than one click: hosting providers provide a > full VM with everything installed for the stack. > > > > As of software developers, I do view 4 categories: > > > > - constructivists using established abstractions and not requiring > further exposure to inner workings of the system. They deliver business > value for common problems. > > - bridges understanding how the system works inside and are able to > convey usage patterns to the constructivists. They also feed back real > world usage problems to the next kind so that the system stays useful and > not pie in the skyish. > > - abstractionists: able to come up with a powerful set of abstractions > to solve a given problem in a general manner. Framework makers are here > > - technology makers: create core tech. Like a Cog-VM thing, CUDA, .. > > > > Try to pair types by jumping one strata and you are asking for trouble. > > > > Except for rare seasoned developers that are master of their craft and > are able to display behavioral flexibility. > > But these are a rare breed and you won't get them for a long time anyway > as these are seekers. > > I want a good installer for each platform :) > For newspeak there is a native installer for Mac OS and Windows. See http://www.squeakvm.org/svn/squeak/branches/Cog/nscogbuild/cygwinbuild/installer&; http://www.squeakvm.org/svn/squeak/branches/Cog/nscogbuild/macbuild/installer. These allow one to install whatever one specifies using a native installer. The WIndows code is a little hairy and the Mac OS code is very simple. So if you consider a native installer a good introductory choice (it doesn't have to be the only one) then take a look. I can help with anyone trying to tailor to the WIndows installer. > And I want to let a chance to people to decide when they have to deal with > low level. > Pushing shit on their faces as a welcome message is not what we want. > > Now alex shipping cairo lib may be not be the best to do. It tooks some > time to compile on my machine > and it means some work to build the right libr for each sub platforms: 32, > 64….. > > Now you can also use VW. :) For me this is simply no way. ;) > > Stef > > > > -- best, Eliot
