On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Denis Kudriashov > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> 2012/9/29 Mariano Martinez Peck <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Denis Kudriashov <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> ss3 repo for Shapes and Gaucho closed for reading or maybe empty. >>>> So is it possible to get it somewhere? maybe there is prepared image? >>>> >>>> Actually I gather migrate our applications to last Pharo and use latest >>>> achievemens like fuel and tanker. >>>> >>> >>> Hi. I don't want to go offtopic in the original thread so I opened this >>> one. >>> Of course it is usually a good idea to migrate to latest stable Pharo >>> release so that you don't stay with a very old image. Anyway, what I wanted >>> to say is that Fuel DOES WORK in previous images. In fact, it works from >>> Pharo 1.1 to 2.0. And Tanker right now works in 2.0 only by just because >>> by default we use the new ClassBuilder. But this can be easily changed for >>> those who want to use it in older versions. Anyway, Tanker is still a >>> little bit green ;) For more details read my answer to this comment: >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/new-tanker-current-status/#comment-905 >>> >> >> Hello and thank's for response. >> >> Actually I want use Tanker to deploy my applications with "bootstrap way" >> where only kernel minimal image existed and all application loaded at >> startup. >> It will simplify delivering application updates to slow remote targets. I >> can just upload small tanker files and load it seamlessly because its >> really fast. >> And without image saves no corrupt images due to something bad at middle >> of image save. >> > > Hi Denis. I want to say a couple of things about this. First, you are not > the only one wanting this. In fact, that scenario is one of the reasons we > are investing a lot of time in the infrastructure: > > 1) Pavel Krivanek has been working a lot in making the image more modular, > being able to cleanly unload and reload packages. This was the first step. > 2) Jannik Laval continue that effort trying to remove lots of > cyclic dependencies between packages. > 3) Guillermo Polito started to work in the bootstrap. He is now able to > bootstrap images from scratch (contrary to Pavel's PharoKernel where he was > unloading packages). > 4) Esteban Lorenzano is working on a new ConfigurationOfPharo that will > let you take a kernel/bootstraped/minimal image and load just the packages > you want. > 5) Camilo Bruni, Martin Dias, Guillermo Polito, and Toon Verwaest have > been working in a new class builder based on layouts. The "old > ClassBuilder" is really difficult to maintain, understand, fix, etc. When > you load packages, the class builder takes an important role. Therefore, > they were working in a new class builder, which, from my point of view, is > way better, object-oriented, tested, etc. > 6) Martin Dias and Me were working in Tanker, a tool to export/import > packages of code using Fuel without Compiler. > > And the list can of course continue: 7) Dale did Metacello, which is a great package management system (needed by 4) and for all the rest of the projects) 8) Fuel, as it is needed by 6) ..... and so on... > So.....as you can see there is/was a lot of work going on related to what > you need :) It is not 100% ready, but we are getting there. > > Cheers, > > >> Best regards, >> Denis >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
