On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Denis Kudriashov >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> 2012/9/29 Mariano Martinez Peck <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Denis Kudriashov < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello >>>>> >>>>> ss3 repo for Shapes and Gaucho closed for reading or maybe empty. >>>>> So is it possible to get it somewhere? maybe there is prepared image? >>>>> >>>>> Actually I gather migrate our applications to last Pharo and use >>>>> latest achievemens like fuel and tanker. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi. I don't want to go offtopic in the original thread so I opened this >>>> one. >>>> Of course it is usually a good idea to migrate to latest stable Pharo >>>> release so that you don't stay with a very old image. Anyway, what I wanted >>>> to say is that Fuel DOES WORK in previous images. In fact, it works from >>>> Pharo 1.1 to 2.0. And Tanker right now works in 2.0 only by just because >>>> by default we use the new ClassBuilder. But this can be easily changed for >>>> those who want to use it in older versions. Anyway, Tanker is still a >>>> little bit green ;) For more details read my answer to this comment: >>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/new-tanker-current-status/#comment-905 >>>> >>> >>> Hello and thank's for response. >>> >>> Actually I want use Tanker to deploy my applications with "bootstrap >>> way" where only kernel minimal image existed and all application loaded at >>> startup. >>> It will simplify delivering application updates to slow remote targets. >>> I can just upload small tanker files and load it seamlessly because its >>> really fast. >>> And without image saves no corrupt images due to something bad at middle >>> of image save. >>> >> >> Hi Denis. I want to say a couple of things about this. First, you are not >> the only one wanting this. In fact, that scenario is one of the reasons we >> are investing a lot of time in the infrastructure: >> >> 1) Pavel Krivanek has been working a lot in making the image more >> modular, being able to cleanly unload and reload packages. This was the >> first step. >> 2) Jannik Laval continue that effort trying to remove lots of >> cyclic dependencies between packages. >> 3) Guillermo Polito started to work in the bootstrap. He is now able to >> bootstrap images from scratch (contrary to Pavel's PharoKernel where he was >> unloading packages). >> 4) Esteban Lorenzano is working on a new ConfigurationOfPharo that will >> let you take a kernel/bootstraped/minimal image and load just the packages >> you want. >> 5) Camilo Bruni, Martin Dias, Guillermo Polito, and Toon Verwaest have >> been working in a new class builder based on layouts. The "old >> ClassBuilder" is really difficult to maintain, understand, fix, etc. When >> you load packages, the class builder takes an important role. Therefore, >> they were working in a new class builder, which, from my point of view, is >> way better, object-oriented, tested, etc. >> 6) Martin Dias and Me were working in Tanker, a tool to export/import >> packages of code using Fuel without Compiler. >> >> > And the list can of course continue: > > 7) Dale did Metacello, which is a great package management system (needed > by 4) and for all the rest of the projects) > 8) Fuel, as it is needed by 6) > 9) RPackage also improves a lot the loading time (because it avoids the PackageInfo calculation...) > ..... > and so on... > > >> So.....as you can see there is/was a lot of work going on related to what >> you need :) It is not 100% ready, but we are getting there. >> >> Cheers, >> >> >>> Best regards, >>> Denis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
