On 4 April 2013 19:52, Camillo Bruni <camillobr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2013-04-04, at 18:51, Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 4 April 2013 17:38, Camillo Bruni <camillobr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 2013-04-04, at 16:11, Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 4 April 2013 15:45, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> really? >>>>> please, add an issue in the tracker and submit a slice, as everybody else. >>>>> >>>> calm down, we're just discussing here. >>>> I provided code here intentionally for nay-sayers like you to try it >>>> and to check if it not breaks >>>> something else (your workflow). >>> >>> Igor, not Esteban's workflow.. OUR WORKFLOW! >>> >> >> Sure sure. Now have you tried the code which i sent if it works/breaks for >> you? >> >> Or i should spend like 10 minutes filing the issue before figuring >> that it is unacceptable? > > What the fuck do you think the rest does? > >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10228 > > |( well the issue is the main entry point. If the code does not work > you will be notified VIA the issue => manageed entity > > However how you solve this issue right now is by some fuzzy undefined process > nobody manages. If you think that this change is worth getting into pharo then > you open an issue and attach the SLICE (no changeset, SLICES). > > Then the whole machinery starts, people (INCLUDING YOU) look at the issues. > Issue get rejected, modified, adapted! > > What you show here is IGNORANCE on a higher level. > YOU IGNORE A WHOLE DAMN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS PEOPLE USE EVERY DAY. > And you put yourself into the brilliant exception position. > Not at all.
> Believe me I am not the only one who is upset with that. (but usually the > one who complains first). > > > So why do I complain? > > - I know that you haven't filed a single issue on the new issue tracker > - I know that you DO NOT like the new issue tracker > - I know that you DO NOT like to use SLICES (even though everybody else does) > > and.. > - I am pretty convinced that you will never file an issue on the new issue > tracker > Hmm.. I already did. Before you even wrote your outrageous post. > > Why? I don't know, I really don't. I wish I could understand your point > here, but I cannot. You did not replied to a most important question , which goes first: does it works for you or not. Issue tracker (as its name states) helps with tracking the issue, but it does not solves it. Putting things on issue tracker doesn't means that issue will be solved. Because nothing forces you to look at issue, you can still ignore it. You can complain that it was not filed correctly, there's "field A is empty", field B is wrong and all sorts of bureaucracy.. So, if there's no action (like trying the proposed solution) while topic is hot on mailing list, i am pretty sure that there will be no any action with that issue later. The code will be just silently integrated, only to be found later that change is inappropriate and breaks things here and there.. and then we go over again, by opening one more issue, and spending our precious time on following the process, instead of solving the real problems. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
