Hi Laurent, thanks for your response. While I agree that in many cases
the "do-it-yourself" style may apply, I think it would be kind of weird
to set up a user voice account for Pharo without the
leaders/developers/board being ok with it. Of course is not a matter of
laziness, it would be actually less work doing it that writing a couple
of mails, it's just that I would feel like taking attributions that
don't belong to me. Besides, I don't see anything good coming out of it
if the board is not ok with it.
Cheers,
Andrés
laurent laffont escribió:
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, andres <[email protected]>wrote:
Stef, Doru:
first of all I was *asking if* such a model exists, not
demanding one. Having just entered the Pharo world I wanted to know how you
guys handle the feature requests. I see now.
On the other hand if you really want to discuss the question of "who has
the rights for asking for X" in the open source model I'm open, but just to
be sure I will first ask: Is it ok to open such a thread? Or should I first
contribute to Pharo before asking?
Asking is a form of contribution and is important because this is what
creates a community and how we can learn. It enables communication and this
is good. And your question is a valuable question. (well, unless people keep
asking over and over the same question without searching in the mailing-list
archive....)
And actually the best answer I think is: if you want feature X, you have two
ways to get it:
A/ pay someone for doing it
B/ do it yourself and share so other people may help you
Today in Pharo the most used way is B (and I think this is true for most
open source project). But may be you have (lot of) money :)
So if you think something like UserVoice may sounds good, just try it and
share. Darwinism will tell whether it is a good idea or not.
Honestly I'm curious about what ideas can people put in a voting system and
what they can vote on. Maybe newcomers won't be shy to vote (comparing to
sending an email). Now whether the ideas will be implemented is just a
matter of choice between A and B.
Cheers,
Laurent
Andrés
Tudor Girba escribió:
+1.
Doru
On 7 Dec 2010, at 12:39, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi andres
Thanks Mariano! I was looking for something more "formal", to let user's
vote for features and a commitment of the dev team to include N of the most
voted per release (of course N depends on the release cycle and the feature
complexity).
Well well well
When people are not able to pay 10 Euros for pharo (we did a poll and got
5 positive answers) why would they have the right to vote for something that
we would be forced to do? This is an interesting question, no?
We are not in the consumer model here. We (the people around pharo core)
are fixing the infrastructure so that everybody benefit from it, we can be
influenced
but not much. The only influence we deeply understand is
***Contributions*** with either videos, pdf, ads, promotion actions or ST
code.
So if you want something to happen for real in pharo then you should
consider how you can make this happens.
Stef
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