On 2013-06-02 17:54, b...@rogers.com wrote: > Bahman, > We, as Smalltalkers, are very good at talking among ourselves, but what > we really need is to get more people to have your experience. I think > your comments have more value than most on this forum. > > At our Toronto Smalltalk User Group meetings we've talked about getting > out to other software groups and showing them Smalltalk. I'd like to > know, from your point of view, what would be an effective presentation. > What should we focus on? What will get people to explore Smalltalk like > you have?
Hi Bob, I'd say penetrating a market is a double-threaded parallel process: motivating the developers and attracting the business decision makers (which sadly most of the times are not developers). I believe, as you certainly know, there are different types of developers with different areas of expertise like system programmers, website programmers and so on. So, IMHO, depending on which type is your audience you should use different show cases. But I'm sure for audience with a background like me, a web-based application that does reporting, saves data to PostgreSQL or Oracle (phew!) and runs smoothly would be very interesting. Specially if you could demo the audience how cleanly and easily they can extend it. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Bahman Movaqar <bah...@bahmanm.com> > *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 1, 2013 2:34:26 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consultants > > On 2013-06-01 10:40, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> Hi guys >> >> I think that we are doing a poor job selling ourselves. I think that > the quality of our community is in >> general excellent but we do not sell it. I think that we are not using > well the association. >> I think that this is REALLY important for a larger adoption of Pharo > that the world >> knows that we have excellent guys around that can consult. >> >> So what do you think? >> I would use the association in a much clearer way. > > I'd like to mention a few facts: > 1. I used to think Smalltalk is dead. > 2. I used to think Smalltalk, even if not dead, is only being used in > universities. > 3. I used to think Smalltalk world is far behind the modern web > aspects/framework/technologies. > > It's been less than a week that I started to give Smalltalk (Pharo) a > try -and to be honest I chose to do so just to see what is Seaside. And > to my utmost surprise all of the above assumptions turned out to be > moronic per-assumptions (though hugely popular). > > I come from the Java world which I'd say is the richest and most > evolving ecosystem for web development. But I was shocked by design, > quality, simplicity, cleanness and feature-set of Seaside. And if you > ask me nothing matches it even in the wide range of Java web frameworks. > > I believe, Seaside is a sample of what Smalltalk world has to offer > (correct me if I'm wrong) and it's a real pitty that frustrated > developers/companies using Java or .NET don't know about such a thing. > > PS: I have some general suggestions but, honestly, I thought I'd hold > them as I'm not a pro Smalltalk'er :-) -- Bahman Movaqar (http://BahmanM.com) ERP Evaluation, Implementation, Deployment Consultant
