I am with Doru here. Today, 500MB is NOTHINGGGGGG. NOTHIIIIIIIIING. NOTHING. A LATOP comes with 8GB. 16x more than the max the VM can allocate. For one of my clients, I have just set up a server with 32GB. It has 64x than the max a Pharo VM can allocate. Really? Going to disk is not always a possibility for many many reasons. And even if it were possible....if I have to spent XXX hours to workaround Pharo because it cannot use more than 500MB, then people will simply move to another language. And finally, wasn't a language like Smalltalk prepare for you and let you only focus in your app blah blah blah.. ? having to go to disk doesn't sound like that...
So, Igor, I cannot stand that point of view. I can stand many others, like explaining why it's not Pharo fault, the problem window has, the money/time it would take for an engineer to fix it, etc etc etc. But not your position. Cheers, On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Igor, please get this point of view out of your system :). > > First, not all programming languages are like this: You can easily run > other VMs (e.g., Java) with more than 3 GB. But, let's not even go there: I > can run Pharo with 1Gb on Mac without problems. According to your reasoning > we might end up downgrading the Mac VM. Some data does not fit in memory, > but if I can get all my data in my image, I will choose to do it. > > I am not saying that we should compare with Java, or that it is the end of > the world that the Windows VM is highly restricted. I am simply saying that > we should not dismiss this as a problem just because we do not know how, or > do not have the resources to solve it right now. > > After all, we are here to change the world :). > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Jul 8, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Same question again. And same answer (i have no other yet). > > > > Why just don't use disk memory? > > I know it is extra effort, but that's what all software does, when it > has to deal with big amounts of data. > > Why in smalltalk it should be different? > > > > Of course, on your place, i would also prefer that there is some magic > fairy waves its magic wand and problem solved, but it is not going to be > solved. > > If today you need >512Mb for your data, tomorrow you will need twice as > much, and after tomorrow it will double again. > > So, let us be realistic: the solution to your problem lies not in VM, > but in a way how to manage the data. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution." > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
