Stef I'm dragging and dropping in a fresh install
first the image with the install then quit and again drag-drop the numbered image from latest.zip as copied in by me manually ( only manual step after target dir named for install ) I have some neuro-motor issues now, but they mostly impact my typing skills ... there is only one EXE in the folder and I go slowly on the touchpad, so this is not on me in any obvious thumbs-fumble ( the only way I go now - slow and fumbliing ;-) Then I just do my most regular "flip about" routine ... we used to call it "kicking the tires" ... a pilot can have a pre-flight walk-around protocol because the design of the plane did not change since it last landed ;-) regards robert spelling via Google gmail On 26 February 2014 09:07, Pharo4Stef <pharo4s...@free.fr> wrote: > robert > > Are you sure that you really use the latest version? > Because I do not see why opening a window would be platform specific and I > could not reproduce this problem. > So do you have a real way to reproduce the problem? can you send us the > debuglog? > And BTW Pharo is our and your system and we work all to make it better so > no need to be pushy it does not help. > > Stef > > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:38, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > regardless ... > > I did a sanity check on the contents of yesterday's latest.zip and hit a > walkback > > I then did a sanity check on the latest 3.0 installer and hit a different > walkback. > > At least on Win XP 3.1 that does not feel like Beta but like alpha, in my > experience. Unstable. > > Sanity check for a Smalltalk image > > open a browser > open a workspace > flip about in the browser [across packages, classes, instance view, > class view, implementors and callers > DoIt from workspace [never got here either time ; I would do smthg like > a ProfStef or call up a browser ; no set routine as that way lies madness ] > > AND while doing the above, flip between windows, max /min [ I have been > doing this for years ... it takes only a couple of minutes - it is not a > step-wise protocol .... that would result in missing things that you > wouldn't expect - and it is in NO way exhaustive ... it is just a sanity > check ( Do you know what year it is? Who is the President of USA ? What is > today's date ? How did you get here ? Do you know why you were > [arrested/admitted/removed from the aircraft/booted outa the bar ... ) ] > > Hunch ONLY : > > Likely culprit ... each time I also opened for future use (and to have > some frames open > Metacello browser > the 2 help items off the main popup menu (one general; one Tutorials - > a new user is likely to do so ) > > I suspect one of the latter, based on Last Class Changed for that image > ... but that will be my hunch for now ... > > ciao > > r > > > > > On 26 February 2014 07:18, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:30, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> "BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community." >> >> This still rankles ... I have been a Smalltalker since long before Squeak >> and have been using Pharo since Seaside first ran on it - if not earlier >> than that ... >> >> I also received from another on the mail list >> >> "and in fact I cannot reproduce it." >> >> "And in fact" is such a wicked rhetorical move ... in a game I have lost >> all interest in playing now that I am retired. >> >> >> it is not. >> it was just saying that I tried your problem and I could not reproduce >> it. It was not to been rethorical or anything, just pointing a fact. >> I’m interested (and is also my job) on having the best and stable version >> of Pharo possible. >> I’m so interested that I was at 10min from leaving a my house to take an >> 10h fly and I sit to try to reproduce your problem. >> So, please… do not misinterpret the contents of the mail. It was an >> attempt to have an understanding of the problem, in an effort to help. >> An effort, btw, that sometimes is not easy, because we do not have all >> the elements to make the diagnostic… >> >> >> It may take me a lot of effort to track these 2 bugs down as far as >> "Follow these steps to reproduce" .. but then I am not a CONSORTIUM member >> ( I used to pay big bucks for Smalltalk, back in the day ) so may be I am >> too far outside the "whole community".... btw. >> >> >> The community is here. In this list. Around the list. >> Consortium is for companies willing to contribute with some money support >> (and so is the association for individuals), because things cost effort and >> effort implies time and time implies money. >> We always try to solve the problems of everybody (we, the community, >> including yourself), because that’s the best for all… so do not put >> yourself outside in a way we never say/act/even think about. >> We want to help you. >> >> >> I will spare you my plot's view of the term "stable" and the notion of >> stability ... and will be sure I rename key files as I go along ... [ why >> are we still having to rename files such as these when able to run multiple >> images in the same dir ? ] >> >> >> Your pov about stability can be ok. What is not ok is such amount of >> negativity over a simple fact: we has not been able to reproduce your >> problem (but you avoid the other obvious fact: we tried to reproduce it. So >> we did not ignored you). >> >> Again, I try to help, as everybody in the community… but such a negative >> over-reaction is probably just compared to my own overeacted answer :) >> >> Esteban >> >> >> >> ciao >> >> >> >> On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI >>> >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for >>> > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil >>> > >>> > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that >>> toggle back. >>> > >>> > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be >>> unstable ? >>> >>> I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. >>> >>> BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of >>> course, it is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system >>> interactions, so issues are always possible. >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
