Thanks Steven this is cool to see that Siren is living and kicking.
Last year I was browsing the old site and I was sad because I thought it was
dead.
Your OSC looks better than the one in Pharo even if we used it successfully to
connect interactive tables with a HCI research group.
If you need help to migrate from VW let us know because it would be great to
have Siren working in Pharo.
I did not see any Unit tests and the tests saved us when we migrated Moose.
Sometimes we even only kept them because they were
better than the implementation. It took us around six months and we got free :)
And we have some contacts that would be interested in London. We could put you
in contact.
Now just some questions and you may know the answer so I ask
I was thinking but I may be totally wrong that it was forbidden to give
VW images and that the current license
was for personal use only. Long time ago the shrink process was
removing the compiler. Now I saw that your image is 42mb.
Personally I do not want to download any VisualWorks distribution and
sign their licenses because I want to stay cristal clear
on ANY license and possible issues. I did not look at Visualworks since
2008 and I feel clean and I will stay like that.
So I imagine that I’m not allowed to use your software. I’m not good in
music sadly so there is no frustration from my side.
You mention that people can use a non-commercial version of VW but this
license does not exist anymore.
Is there a 64 bits version of VW because VW7.5 starts to show its age
and on recent mac you only have 64 bits.
Some people may think that we are just over the top on open-source but this is
not by accident that we took the responsibility to create Pharo.
We could not distribute Moose our open-source platform so after 10 years of
hard work we had to do something. And we created Pharo.
And the problem we got were with the previous version (the non commercial) of
the Cincom license and the new one is even more restrictive.
Some friends of mine told me that some lawyers were starting to get picky and
send letters around.
So watch out.
BTW I did not see the license of Siren on the git repo. If I may suggest one,
BSD/MIT are nice, avoid GPL because it means that nobody serious on Smalltalk
will ever look at your system and contribute.
S.
> On 14 May 2020, at 01:40, step...@heaveneverywhere.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> The Siren system is a general-purpose framework for music and sound
> composition, processing, performance, and analysis; it is a collection of
> about 350 classes written in Smalltalk-80 (40 kLOC or so). Siren 9.0 works on
> VisualWorks Smalltalk (though the bulk has been ported to other dialects as
> well); Siren supports streaming I/O via OpenSoundControl (OSC), MIDI, and
> multi-channel audio ports. The Siren release is available via the web from
> the URL http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren <http://fastlabinc.com/Siren>.
>
> Siren is a programming framework and tool kit; the intended audience is
> Smalltalk developers, or users willing to learn Smalltalk in order to write
> their own applications. The built-in applications are meant as demonstrations
> of the use of the libraries, rather than as end-user applications. Siren is
> not a MIDI sequencer, nor a score notation editor, through both of these
> applications would be easy to implement with the Siren framework.
>
> There are several elements to Siren:
>
> * the Smoke music representation language (music magnitudes, events, event
> lists, generators, functions, and sounds);
>
> * voices, schedulers and I/O drivers (real-time and file-based voices, sound,
> score file, OSC, and MIDI I/O);
>
> * user interface components for musical applications (UI framework, tools,
> and widgets);
>
> * several built-in applications (editors and browsers for Smoke objects); and
>
> * external library interfaces for streaming I/O and DSP math (sound/MIDI I/O,
> fast FFT, CSL & Loris sound analysis/resynthesis packages )
>
> The best in-depth doc (book chapter) is in,
> http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Doc/SirenBookChapter.pdf
> <http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/Doc/SirenBookChapter.pdf>
>
> The read the demo code workbook (this text), go to,
> http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.html
> <http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.html>
> or
> http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.pdf
> <http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.pdf>
>
> If you like to read manuals, take a look at,
> http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Manual <http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/Manual>
>
> or watch the detailed Siren demo at,
> https://vimeo.com/120751122 <https://vimeo.com/120751122>
>
> The links to get Siren9 are,
>
> Web site: http://fastlabinc.com/Siren <http://fastlabinc.com/Siren>
>
> Package download: http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/Siren_9.0.zip
> <http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/Siren_9.0.zip>
>
> Github repo: https://github.com/stpope/Siren9
> <https://github.com/stpope/Siren9>
>
>
> Comments solicited.
>
> Stephen Pope
>
>
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