Not sure about the date question, but to answer your second one, they will
play both type recordings.  The reproducer swivels so vertical cut
recordings can be played with a Pathe-type ball stylus.
Ray W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bruce78rpm" <bruce78...@comcast.net>
To: "Antique phonograph discussion list for pre-1930 phonographs"
<phon...@oldcrank.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Trying to complete my Little Wonder phonograph


> Do these little machines actually predate the Little Wonder Records put
out
> by Columbia? Since they were mfg. by the Boston Talking machine Co. I
assume
> that they originally used the name "Little Wonder" before the Columbia
> Records. Did these machines play both vertical and lateral groove
> recordings?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray Wilenzick" <rwilenz...@cox.net>
> To: "Antique phonograph discussion list for pre-1930 phonographs"
> <phon...@oldcrank.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Trying to complete my Little Wonder phonograph
>
>
> > My Little Wonder has a winding key, not a crank.  The shaft part may be
> > original as it looks old, but the handle of the key is clearly a
> > reproduction.
> > The shaft has two parts, a steel inner rod approx. 3/4 in. long and 3/16
> > in.dia. that fits into the machine, and a surrounding brass tube that
has
> > the "slot" you describe in it.  The brass is about 1.5 in. long and 1/4
> in.
> > diameter.  The handle for this "key" is steel and soldered into a slot
at
> > the end.  The handle was clearly fabricated by someone who did not
solder
> it
> > in exactly straight.  I have always seen cranks on pictures of these
> > machines, and wondered if a key type was also used originally.
> > Ray W.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <msprin...@juno.com>
> > To: <phon...@oldcrank.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 8:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Trying to complete my Little Wonder phonograph
> >
> >
> > > I can describe the piece on the machine that the crank fits into, but
> not
> > > the crank itself -- I've wondered exactly the same thing.  It's a
metal
> > > sleeve that sticks out from the side of the machine about a half-inch.
> > > There is a "slot" across that sleeve that is perpendicular to the edge
> on
> > > one side and tapered on the other -- meaning that if you use the slot
to
> > > turn the sleeve in the correct direction the gears wind, and if you
turn
> > > it the wrong direction it slides right up the tapering.  This slot is
> > > about a quarter-inch deep.  I've seen cranks that were shaped like
keys,
> > > and cranks that looked like regular cranks, but I've never seen an
> > > original.  All of the books I've seen that have pictures of Little
> Wonder
> > > phonographs always say that the cranks shown are not original.
> > >
> > > I had a crank made by Charlie Weatherbee that has a small length of
> metal
> > > at the tip to fit in the sleeve for stability, and then has a "nail"
> > > across the crank to fit into the slots.
> > >
> > > Merle
> > >
> > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:31:44 -0500 "Ron L'Herault" <lhera...@bu.edu>
> > > writes:
> > > > Can anyone provide me with a description of what an original little
> > > > wonder crank looks like?  ID, OD, thread size, etc?
> > > >
> > > > Ron L
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com
> > > > [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of msprin...@juno.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:13 PM
> > > > To: phon...@oldcrank.com
> > > > Subject: [Phono-L] Trying to complete my Little Wonder phonograph
> > > >
> > > > I may have asked on this list before -- please forgive me if I have
> > > > (early Alzheimers... or at least that's a convenient excuse).
> > > >
> > > > I have had a Little Wonder phonograph for a number of years (you can
> > > > see
> > > > pictures on my site:
> > > > http://www.littlewonderrecords.com/gramophone.html
> > > > -- click on the >> at the bottom to scroll through the views).
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for an original crank and the thumbscrew that held the
> > > > reproducer in place. I'd even be willing to buy an entire Little
> > > > Wonder
> > > > phonograph to get those parts if anyone has one they'd like to part
> > > > with.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Merle
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