Hey! I missed out! The auction has been ended! Perhaps someone beat me to it 
because the "Buy It Now," price was only 10 cents. It could have at least had 
a pretty, black lacquer finish.

Randy
From Zonophone2002  Mon Dec 29 20:44:16 2003
From: Zonophone2002 ([email protected])
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:29 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Blatant eBay phonograph fraud
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

hi all
i have been offered machines at a reduced price too
for the victrola 17 and the ab mcdonald that were on ebay sales
i am sure they want me to western union the money to england
at least half of it 
be careful if its too good to be true it cant be
best to all
rob
From Aph4990  Tue Dec 30 01:09:58 2003
From: Aph4990 ([email protected])
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:29 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Blatant eBay phonograph fraud
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

In a message dated 12/29/2003 7:22:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:
> Guys;
> Is there a new wave of Crap=O=Phones headed our way from a Chinese seller?
> Here are two shamefully misrepresented items, both being sold by the same
You know---
I'm not so worried about these items which are coming out of China.  They are 
SO badly done that it should be obvious to even the neophyte that they are 
junk.
What I would be worried about would be the ability of the Chinese to next 
produce GOOD counterfeits--and then we would all have to be worried.  Since the 
Chinese are now able to produce excellent counterfeit cars, why could they not 
produce excellent counterfeit phonographs?  Up to now, they haven't figured 
out that those horrible copper horns and grotesque stamped metal horns are most 
undesirable to collectors.  I'm just waiting for them to produce well made 
wood horns which could fool the most knowledgeable collectors, at least in 
internet pictures. The Chinese are unabashedly willing to copy anything--and 
are not 
ashamed of their deceptions at all.--And they are getting better at it!  
I really don't believe that our collector groups would be worried about the 
current crop of Crapophones.  It's the next generation of Crapophones from 
China which will be more difficult to evaluate.  
Is no one else concerned about this--or am I simply being Chicken Little??

----Art Heller
From Srsells1  Tue Dec 30 08:52:02 2003
From: Srsells1 ([email protected])
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:29 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Blatant eBay phonograph fraud
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

You can report them to Ebay under the "Circumventing Ebay Fees" Rules. Ebay 
doesn't like to lose fees. This seller was selling at 10 cents but wanted 
500.00 shipping and ebay would make no commission.

I tried to notify ebay with theor contact link but they won't accept it if 
you won't accept cookies and my browser is set to not accept them.

Happy New Year all.

Steve
From ryansrecords1  Wed Dec 31 20:48:23 2003
From: ryansrecords1 (Ryan Barna)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:29 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Cylinder Broken on TV
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I really don't watch television much, but I happened to have NBC on and "The 
Most Outrageous Moments On Live TV" came on. On there, there was a guy 
demonstrating an Edison cylinder phonograph (I'm not knowledgeable enough 
about cylinder phonographs to tell you what model it was). Anyway, he was 
holding a wax cylinder saying "This is the only one of its kind in the 
world!!!" And it shattered to pieces in his hand.

I'm curious to know what was the cylinder? If it was the "only kind" could 
it be a home recording? A lost recording of Edison's voice? It wasn’t a 
brown wax or concert cylinder; it looked just like a standard black wax 
Edison or Columbia cylinder. If it was Cal Stewart, Billy Murray or some 
"Band," chances are that you'll find another one if you keep your eye out. 
Although Len Spencer’s Edison demonstration record is extremely scarce, I 
know there are other copies out there, and not the "only one of its kind."

I also couldn't catch what the original show it appeared on was. Did anybody 
know about this? Was there a discussion about it on this list before? (I 
might have missed it). And who was that guy showing the cylinder?

Anyway, a happy new year to all!

-Ryan

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