It's also important you warn the current bidders of any fraudulent auction so 
they can withdraw.

This usually raises the ire of the seller, but he'll get over it.  "I've been 
advised that this item may be of questionable origin."

Cavaet Emptor

Ern & Anneke Grover, As Time Goes By
26 Webster Street, Springvale, ME 04083  
www.timegoes.com , 207-490-3500 
NAWCC 82038, AWI 18781, Maine Chapter 89 Secretary
From john9ten  Thu Jun  3 08:29:08 2004
From: john9ten (john robles)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:42 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] fraudulent Victror 6 again?
In-Reply-To: <007e01c44951$f9e612c0$7fd10...@ern>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I usually write to the seller to see how he will respond. I used to write to 
bidders, but the last time I did (to warn them about a fake phono they were 
bidding on) the top bidder wrote me a nasty letter threatening to report me to 
eBay and warning me to butt out. I think it is pretty obvious that the seller 
was shilling his own merchandise.
J

Ern & Anneke Grover <[email protected]> wrote:
It's also important you warn the current bidders of any fraudulent auction so 
they can withdraw.

This usually raises the ire of the seller, but he'll get over it. "I've been 
advised that this item may be of questionable origin."

Cavaet Emptor

Ern & Anneke Grover, As Time Goes By
26 Webster Street, Springvale, ME 04083 
www.timegoes.com , 207-490-3500 
NAWCC 82038, AWI 18781, Maine Chapter 89 Secretary
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From Aph4990  Thu Jun  3 10:05:27 2004
From: Aph4990 ([email protected])
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:42 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Question from eBay Member: Victor 6 With Mahogany
        Horn Phonograph
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

In a message dated 6/3/2004 1:34:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time,  
[email protected] writes:

Dear SIr,
You will have to deposit me $3350 in cash  via Western Union bank on my name 
and address. 
Here are my full details for the Western Union payment  transfer : 
First name : Kurt
Last  name : Thomas 
Address : 4440 W Foster / CHICAGO / IL / 60630 /  US 
After you done the payment E-mail me with the Western  Union confirmation : 
-sender`s name :
-sender`s address:
-( Money  Transfer Control Number ) 
Imediatly i will check the payment confirmation from you  i will go to UPS to 
make the shippment and in 4 hours i will E-mail you with  the Tracking info 
from UPS. 
I wait for your E-mail soon with your full details for  the shipping and the 
Western Union  payment confirmation so we can  complete the deal. 
Let me know soon what is your answer.
Many thanks for  your time and for understanding,
To the group:
I had taken the liberty of writing to the seller of the obviously  fraudulent 
Victor VI before the listing was taken off ebay.  The above was  his reply.  
Now, the name and address may be fraudulent also, but it was a  start.  If 
anyone lives in Chicago we might be able to investigate.   But the "seller" 
could 
not possibly be so dumb--or could he?
---Art Heller
From john9ten  Thu Jun  3 10:35:55 2004
From: john9ten (john robles)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:42 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Question from eBay Member: Victor 6 With Mahogany
        Horn Phonograph
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Well, his English skills leave something to be desired....

[email protected] wrote:In a message dated 6/3/2004 1:34:36 AM Mountain Daylight 
Time, 
[email protected] writes:

Dear SIr,
You will have to deposit me $3350 in cash via Western Union bank on my name 
and address. 
Here are my full details for the Western Union payment transfer : 
First name : Kurt
Last name : Thomas 
Address : 4440 W Foster / CHICAGO / IL / 60630 / US 
After you done the payment E-mail me with the Western Union confirmation : 
-sender`s name :
-sender`s address:
-( Money Transfer Control Number ) 
Imediatly i will check the payment confirmation from you i will go to UPS to 
make the shippment and in 4 hours i will E-mail you with the Tracking info 
from UPS. 
I wait for your E-mail soon with your full details for the shipping and the 
Western Union payment confirmation so we can complete the deal. 
Let me know soon what is your answer.
Many thanks for your time and for understanding,
To the group:
I had taken the liberty of writing to the seller of the obviously fraudulent 
Victor VI before the listing was taken off ebay. The above was his reply. 
Now, the name and address may be fraudulent also, but it was a start. If 
anyone lives in Chicago we might be able to investigate. But the "seller" could 
not possibly be so dumb--or could he?
---Art Heller
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