In a message dated 7/1/2004 9:47:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
Hi Loran,
That is what I thought, they will not care unless someone sues them and they
have to pay for allowing fraud.
Steve
Well, it just turns out that ebay is indeed being sued by Tiffany for
allowing fraudulent Tiffany replicas to be sold on ebay. They apparently feel
that
the sale of imitation Tiffany products simply cheapens their own carefully
promoted brand. We will have to see how that suit progresses---since ebay
makes it a point to clearly state that they have never taken possession of the
items and that the fraud problem,if present, is the responsibility of the
seller.
I, for one, have complained repeatedly to ebay about the recent Victor VI
fraud, and have stated that the reputation of ebay is at stake. I actually
feel that ebay should investigate sellers (and potentially fraudulent buyers as
well) more thoroughly--obtaining mailing addresses, and whatever other
information might be necessary to enable them to prosecute fraud.
Unfortunately,
it probably makes little business sense to irritate clients by putting
impediments in the way of a sale---and so they will probably do little. So
after
all this complaining, I will most probably simply come back to the old
standby--"caveat emptor".
---Art Heller
From rvuill Fri Jul 2 03:17:07 2004
From: rvuill (Robert Vuillemenot)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:45 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VI eBay fraud photo from Aaron's website,
description fr...
References: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <044d01c4600c$74038bc0$704b1...@yourn6yk1budzp>
I think you guys are expecting a little too much from eBay. I know they are
pompous and difficult to deal with at times, but with the diverse amount of
items they deal with you can't expect them to have experts on everything.
If they did, their costs would be increased and they would simply pass it on
in higher fees. Also remember that the listing process is automated so that
without someone notifying them there is no way to verify the authenticity
of every item listed. How many people do you think have the knowledge of
phonographs that members of this list have? At least they do respond when
presented with the facts. People have to learn not to bid on items that
they have no knowledge about or where the integrity of the seller is in
question. I am a little suppressed that these fraudulent dealers can get re
listed so easily. As far as I know eBay will not give more than one seller
ID per email address, so these people must change their email address before
re applying to be listed as a seller. With all the problems associated with
buying and selling on eBay, how many of you would like to be in this hobby
without them. I've been collecting phonographs for over 30 years and know
that the eBay and the internet have made collecting and obtaining
information a great deal easier than it was when I started.
RMV
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VI eBay fraud photo from Aaron's
website,description fr...
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2004 9:47:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> Hi Loran,
>
> That is what I thought, they will not care unless someone sues them and
they
> have to pay for allowing fraud.
>
> Steve
>
>
> Well, it just turns out that ebay is indeed being sued by Tiffany for
> allowing fraudulent Tiffany replicas to be sold on ebay. They apparently
feel that
> the sale of imitation Tiffany products simply cheapens their own
carefully
> promoted brand. We will have to see how that suit progresses---since
ebay
> makes it a point to clearly state that they have never taken possession
of the
> items and that the fraud problem,if present, is the responsibility of the
> seller.
> I, for one, have complained repeatedly to ebay about the recent Victor VI
> fraud, and have stated that the reputation of ebay is at stake. I
actually
> feel that ebay should investigate sellers (and potentially fraudulent
buyers as
> well) more thoroughly--obtaining mailing addresses, and whatever other
> information might be necessary to enable them to prosecute fraud.
Unfortunately,
> it probably makes little business sense to irritate clients by putting
> impediments in the way of a sale---and so they will probably do little.
So after
> all this complaining, I will most probably simply come back to the old
> standby--"caveat emptor".
>
> ---Art Heller
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