George, I could not have put it better, it looks like a fat upright. Steve> And let's face it, they really aren't very attractive. Rare yes, but so are > fat fashion models.> > From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 22:20:18 2006 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:57 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] What was sold in other markets? WAS: What's the story on the original indian machines????? Message-ID: <[email protected]>
I tend to believe there is more to it than the big three..... > George Glastris <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, let's think about this. Have you ever wondered why Victor had > their > instructions in Spanish? Every noticed that Columbia had offices all > over > the world? Remember that Gramophone Co. was a company based in London, > the > capital of an Empire which ruled a quarter of the Earth and on which the > sun > never set. The global economy isn't a new phenomenon. In 1910 the US > and > UK exported products all over the world. However, most of the world was > > even dirt poorer than they are today so with a few exceptions, there > wasn't > much of a market for Edison Triumphs in Pango Pango. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:40 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] What was sold in other markets? WAS: What's the story > on > the original indian machines????? > > > > > > I find this really interesting actually. I know about machines sold in > > > places like the UK, USA, Canada, (plenty of info especially on these > > three) Australia, Germany, France etc.... But what were phono markets > > > like in the rest of the world Surely there were original machines in > > China, Japan etc... (I mean othere than the imported ones) and those > must > > have catered for local tastes. I was speaking to a friend who > suggested > > that there were a number of original chinese model phonographs???? > Anyone > > here know of any of these original machines or a source for them. I > know > > that Pathe produced a number of 78rpm records in China in the local > > languages. I remember seeing a Russian fairly decorative machine > making > > thousands of dolllars on eBay a couple of years ago.. > > > > Cheers, > > Mario > > > > > > > > > > > >> George Glastris <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I was speaking about proper old gramophones that just happened to > have > >> been > >> made in India up through the 1930s. These were catalogued as being > old > >> and > >> original, although maybe not of great quality. We never sold the > >> reproductions that came out later, especially the ones with obviously > >> new > >> tone arms, and HMV labels. In fact, we assisted EMI in prosecuting > the > >> makers with trademark infringement. We did find that sometimes they > >> would > >> use old cases but replace the older motors with HMV portable motors. > I > >> assume that it was cheaper for them to do that then repair the > original. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "bruce78rpm" <[email protected]> > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:00 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's the story on the original indian > >> machines????? > >> > >> > >> >I assume they were auctioned as reproduction Gramophones as opposed > to > >> > "Restored Originals". > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "George Glastris" <[email protected]> > >> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:29 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's the story on the original indian > >> > machines????? > >> > > >> > > >> >> Quite simple,there was a market for horn gramophones in India > >> throughout > >> >> the > >> >> 1930s, and Swiss manufacturers like Paillard, as well as HMV who > had > >> a > >> >> factory near Calcutta, continued to supply this market. That is > why > >> >> there > >> >> were so many horn gramophones in India for people to import over > here > >> and > >> >> especially in the UK in the 1970s, and as the supply ran out, the > >> Indians > >> >> developed their own replacements. In the early 1990s/late 1980s > >> there > >> >> was > >> >> a > >> >> small flood of these in the auction houses where I was working at > the > >> > >> >> time > >> >> (Christie's and Phillips') and some actually made respectable > prices > >> (in > >> >> the > >> >> low hundreds of pounds when name brand machines were making in the > >> mid > >> >> hundreds and upwards), but that didn't last long, especially as > the > >> >> supply > >> >> of better quality and condition ones soon ended. > >> >> > >> >> Regards to all, > >> >> George Glastris > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Mario Frazzetto" <[email protected]> > >> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:39 PM > >> >> Subject: [Phono-L] What's the story on the original indian > >> machines????? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Folks, > >> >>> > >> >>> Well I know about crapophones and frankenphones, but what is the > >> story > >> >>> on > >> >>> some of these early indian horn phonographs.... I see transfers > for > >> >>> Leophones etc... > >> >>> > >> >>> Anyone know anything about early phonograph/gramophone production > in > >> >>> India? Models? or are all Indian phonographs late model > crapophones? > >> >>> It seems to be an unexplored side. > >> >>> > >> >>> Cheers, > >> >>> Mario > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Phono-L mailing list > >> >>> [email protected] > >> >>> > >> >>> Phono-L Archive > >> >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > >> >>> > >> >>> Support Phono-L > >> >>> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> >>> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: > >> >>> 10/14/2006 > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Phono-L mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> > >> >> Phono-L Archive > >> >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > >> >> > >> >> Support Phono-L > >> >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Phono-L mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > > >> > Phono-L Archive > >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > >> > > >> > Support Phono-L > >> > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: > >> 10/14/2006 > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >> Phono-L Archive > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > >> > >> Support Phono-L > >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > Phono-L Archive > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > > > Support Phono-L > > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: > 10/14/2006 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
