Yes, there were, but they were, with few exceptions, barely a blip on the landscape. As you said, there was Pathe, which handled a number of countries in France's sphere of infuluence. Deutsch Gramophon handled Victor/HMV for thier areas, etc etc. And don't forget, the patents for these companies were filed all over the world, so they had those protections built in as well. Yes, there were a handful of small firms (such as Nippon Phonograph Co.in Japan) but really they were of little consequence. Again, the non-Western world in c. 1910 was nothing like the Western world at the time, totally different than today.
>I tend to believe there is more to it than the big three..... > > > >> George Glastris <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well, let's think about this. Have you ever wondered why Victor had >> their >> instructions in Spanish? Every noticed that Columbia had offices all >> over >> the world? Remember that Gramophone Co. was a company based in London, >> the >> capital of an Empire which ruled a quarter of the Earth and on which the >> sun >> never set. The global economy isn't a new phenomenon. In 1910 the US >> and >> UK exported products all over the world. However, most of the world was >> >> even dirt poorer than they are today so with a few exceptions, there >> wasn't >> much of a market for Edison Triumphs in Pango Pango. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:40 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] What was sold in other markets? WAS: What's the story >> on >> the original indian machines????? >> >> >> > >> > I find this really interesting actually. I know about machines sold in >> >> > places like the UK, USA, Canada, (plenty of info especially on these >> > three) Australia, Germany, France etc.... But what were phono markets >> >> > like in the rest of the world Surely there were original machines in >> > China, Japan etc... (I mean othere than the imported ones) and those >> must >> > have catered for local tastes. I was speaking to a friend who >> suggested >> > that there were a number of original chinese model phonographs???? >> Anyone >> > here know of any of these original machines or a source for them. I >> know >> > that Pathe produced a number of 78rpm records in China in the local >> > languages. I remember seeing a Russian fairly decorative machine >> making >> > thousands of dolllars on eBay a couple of years ago.. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Mario >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> George Glastris <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I was speaking about proper old gramophones that just happened to >> have >> >> been >> >> made in India up through the 1930s. These were catalogued as being >> old >> >> and >> >> original, although maybe not of great quality. We never sold the >> >> reproductions that came out later, especially the ones with obviously >> >> new >> >> tone arms, and HMV labels. In fact, we assisted EMI in prosecuting >> the >> >> makers with trademark infringement. We did find that sometimes they >> >> would >> >> use old cases but replace the older motors with HMV portable motors. >> I >> >> assume that it was cheaper for them to do that then repair the >> original. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "bruce78rpm" <[email protected]> >> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:00 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's the story on the original indian >> >> machines????? >> >> >> >> >> >> >I assume they were auctioned as reproduction Gramophones as opposed >> to >> >> > "Restored Originals". >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "George Glastris" <[email protected]> >> >> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> >> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:29 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's the story on the original indian >> >> > machines????? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Quite simple,there was a market for horn gramophones in India >> >> throughout >> >> >> the >> >> >> 1930s, and Swiss manufacturers like Paillard, as well as HMV who >> had >> >> a >> >> >> factory near Calcutta, continued to supply this market. That is >> why >> >> >> there >> >> >> were so many horn gramophones in India for people to import over >> here >> >> and >> >> >> especially in the UK in the 1970s, and as the supply ran out, the >> >> Indians >> >> >> developed their own replacements. In the early 1990s/late 1980s >> >> there >> >> >> was >> >> >> a >> >> >> small flood of these in the auction houses where I was working at >> the >> >> >> >> >> time >> >> >> (Christie's and Phillips') and some actually made respectable >> prices >> >> (in >> >> >> the >> >> >> low hundreds of pounds when name brand machines were making in the >> >> mid >> >> >> hundreds and upwards), but that didn't last long, especially as >> the >> >> >> supply >> >> >> of better quality and condition ones soon ended. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards to all, >> >> >> George Glastris >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Mario Frazzetto" <[email protected]> >> >> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:39 PM >> >> >> Subject: [Phono-L] What's the story on the original indian >> >> machines????? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Well I know about crapophones and frankenphones, but what is the >> >> story >> >> >>> on >> >> >>> some of these early indian horn phonographs.... I see transfers >> for >> >> >>> Leophones etc... >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Anyone know anything about early phonograph/gramophone production >> in >> >> >>> India? Models? or are all Indian phonographs late model >> crapophones? >> >> >>> It seems to be an unexplored side. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >> >> >>> Mario
