In a message dated 1/14/2006 10:53:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[email protected] writes:

Yep,  seen them.......this isn't a Douglas machine............

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From: "Daniel Melvin"  <[email protected]> 

> I think you are fortetting about  the Douglas cabinet victors. They are 
> indeed victors put together  away from Victor. I'm not sure it is fair to 
say 
> victor didn't do  this. They most definately did with Douglas. I don't 
think 
> it can be  said they any less of a victor machine. And, they go for huge 
> money  when the very rare machines become available. I think the machine in 
>  question may have been made at the same time that the douglas cabinets 
were  
> being produced. I know that vic V and vic VI douglas machines  existed. 
They 
> are in Fabrizio's books if anyone is interested. 


With all this talk about what is "real" and what is not, you might want to  
look at page 52 in Fabrizio an Paul's "Phonographs with Flair". There is a  
"Craftsman" machine and case which is very similar to the machine which was  
offered on eBay.  It is listed as being VR or "very rare". Not even a  brand 
name 
machine!  So it is all in the eye of the beholder as to what one  considers 
desireable.
---Art Heller

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