Victor did not manufacture its own metal flower horns, as the Aug. 22, 1905
patent date will attest: that patent was the property of the Tea Tray Company.?
We see this date on Edison horn decals as well - particularly Cygnet horns.?
When the 8/22/05 date is not in evidence, the hanger may be mounted on a
diamond-shaped plate - the trademark of the Standard Metal Manufacturing
Company of Newark, New Jersey.? Those two companies supplied the majority of
horns to Victor and Edison, while Columbia seemed to generally prefer the
Hawthorne & Sheble Manufacturing Company for its horns.
As for wooden horns, I doubt that Sheip & Vandegrift manufactured Victor No.31
("spear-tip") and No.30 horns, as S&V made a strong point of advertising its
"Music Master" horns as "Solid Wood: Not Veneered."? Surely S&V would not have
disparaged the products it was making for others under contract!? The metal
collar of a Victor No.30 horn in my collection references two patents by month
and year: "Sept. 04" and "March 05."? A little research suggests one of these
patents to be No.770,024, awarded on Sept. 13, 1904 to Bartolo Ruggiero and
Gaetano Bongiorno; both of Brooklyn.? This patent describes what we would
recognize as the Victor No.30 horn.? However, the patent specifies that the
horn could be made of wood OR fiber.? Perhaps J.S. Spaulding & Sons of
Rochester, New Hampshire (who manufactured fiber horns for Canadian Berliner)
was manufacturing the No.30 horn in wood as well.?
The other wooden horn Victor patent is No.784,385, awarded March 7, 1905 to
Alfred R. Cunnius of Brooklyn.? One-half of this patent was assigned to Lipman
Kaiser of New York.? This patent shows what we would recognize as the Victor
No.31 horn.? Again, was J.S. Spaulding & Sons a supplier of this horn?? Or
perhaps a firm definitely known to have manufactured veneered horns such as the
Wooden Phonograph Horn Company of Syracuse, NY. was contracted by Victor;
Columbia relied on this company for some of its wooden horns.
The paper mache horns for the earliest Victor "VI" were most definitely made in
Japan (Kobe), and marketed as the Allen's Paper Lacquer Horn.? During the 1905
Russo-Japanese War, these horns became unavailable, and substitute metal horns
were supplied with special labels stating that they were a substitute for the
paper mache horn and could be exchanged for the latter when they once again
became available.? Tim Fabrizio has one of these "substitute" metal horns with
its interesting label.
I'd be most interested to learn what firm(s) actually manufactured Victor's
wooden horns.
George Paul
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From: [email protected] (wayne holznagel)
Date: Fri Jul 13 20:58:10 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Silvertone Catalog & Information
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hello Folks,
It's been a year since my last little project. Last year I scanned a 1920s
era Artophone Phonograph Parts catalog to CD. Approx 30 fellow phonograph
collectors received a copy of the CD, pictures of the bldg that housed the
supplier (courtesy of Ron L'Herault), and a few other paper items related to
the catalog. Several collectors told me that the CD was very nice.
This year I am planning to scan a Sears Silvertone Phonograph catalog to
file. I have a few additional paper advs for the Silvertone phonographs that I
will also scan. The project should end up similar in quality to the Artophone
project. I am hoping to complete the project in 2-4 weeks. If anyone is
interested in receiving a copy of the CD please drop me a line with your name
and mailing address. I will acknowledge your email within 24 hours. If you do
not hear from me . . . drop me another email. PLEASE RESPOND OFF LIST.
I will send a CD to the first 24 or so people that respond. The CDs do not
cost much to make . . . and I have told another collector that I would do this
for him. He suggested that other collectors may appreciate the information.
The cost for the CD is the usual . . . I will make a copy for each person that
responds until my budjet is gone. I will even pay for the mailing cost to
collectors in the US. If you are international . . . I may pay the cost of
mailing provided it is not too much.
I've made projects available to phono collectors several times in the past.
I am sometimes slow in completing them but believe most of you have been
satisfied with the end projects.
Hope you have all had a wonderful summer.
<:)>
Wayne H
My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/
From [email protected] Fri Jul 13 23:00:48 2007
From: [email protected] (john robles)
Date: Fri Jul 13 23:02:45 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Wooden & Metal Victor Horns
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Really interesting! I have been drawn into the mysterious world of wooden horns
far deeper than I ever thought I would be!
J
[email protected] wrote:
Victor did not manufacture its own metal flower horns, as the Aug. 22, 1905
patent date will attest: that patent was the property of the Tea Tray Company.?
We see this date on Edison horn decals as well - particularly Cygnet horns.?
When the 8/22/05 date is not in evidence, the hanger may be mounted on a
diamond-shaped plate - the trademark of the Standard Metal Manufacturing
Company of Newark, New Jersey.? Those two companies supplied the majority of
horns to Victor and Edison, while Columbia seemed to generally prefer the
Hawthorne & Sheble Manufacturing Company for its horns.
As for wooden horns, I doubt that Sheip & Vandegrift manufactured Victor No.31
("spear-tip") and No.30 horns, as S&V made a strong point of advertising its
"Music Master" horns as "Solid Wood: Not Veneered."? Surely S&V would not have
disparaged the products it was making for others under contract!? The metal
collar of a Victor No.30 horn in my collection references two patents by month
and year: "Sept. 04" and "March 05."? A little research suggests one of these
patents to be No.770,024, awarded on Sept. 13, 1904 to Bartolo Ruggiero and
Gaetano Bongiorno; both of Brooklyn.? This patent describes what we would
recognize as the Victor No.30 horn.? However, the patent specifies that the
horn could be made of wood OR fiber.? Perhaps J.S. Spaulding & Sons of
Rochester, New Hampshire (who manufactured fiber horns for Canadian Berliner)
was manufacturing the No.30 horn in wood as well.?
The other wooden horn Victor patent is No.784,385, awarded March 7, 1905 to
Alfred R. Cunnius of Brooklyn.? One-half of this patent was assigned to Lipman
Kaiser of New York.? This patent shows what we would recognize as the Victor
No.31 horn.? Again, was J.S. Spaulding & Sons a supplier of this horn?? Or
perhaps a firm definitely known to have manufactured veneered horns such as the
Wooden Phonograph Horn Company of Syracuse, NY. was contracted by Victor;
Columbia relied on this company for some of its wooden horns.
The paper mache horns for the earliest Victor "VI" were most definitely made in
Japan (Kobe), and marketed as the Allen's Paper Lacquer Horn.? During the 1905
Russo-Japanese War, these horns became unavailable, and substitute metal horns
were supplied with special labels stating that they were a substitute for the
paper mache horn and could be exchanged for the latter when they once again
became available.? Tim Fabrizio has one of these "substitute" metal horns with
its interesting label.
I'd be most interested to learn what firm(s) actually manufactured Victor's
wooden horns.
George Paul
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