Oh, much more bass with the C-2. No acoustic consumer model machine made in the USA can deliver bass that extends much below 100Hz, mostly due to the fact that the horn is not big enough. Maybe some of the euro machines with bigger horns can do better, and presumably the Victor theater horns did better. There is a lot of bass information recorded on the electrical DDs and Victors that extends well below 100Hz and you simply don't hear it unless you play the records electrically. Some of the last DDs with the electrically-recorded pipe organ in the Lowe's theater in NYC have bass extending down to the 30Hz range, quite as good as much more modern recordings. And most of the recordings of string (standup) bass just hardly are audible when played acoustically but come alive with electric playback.
Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fraser" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison C2 performance > Thanks for the description. So is it fair to say you get far more bass > and far less treble on the C2 than when the same DD is played with a well > restored Edisonic reproducer? > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- Peter > [email protected] > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:41 PM, "Greg Bogantz" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I have a C-2. The pickup is essentially the same horseshoe magnet >> pickup design as used in most of the contemporary models sold by Victor, >> Brunswick, Atwater-Kent, etc. But Edison included a "scratch filter" >> (Edison may have had another name for this, but I can't remember what >> they called it) module located under the turntable motor board which was >> a resistive-capacitive low-pass filter. This was ostensibly to filter >> out the "needle scratch" noise which was supposedly indigenous to >> needle-cut records, according to Edison company blather. Truth be told, >> it filtered the noise from Edison DDs more effectively. DDs have >> inherently lower signal to noise ratio (are noisier) due to their low >> modulation level compared to the typical electrical Victor record of the >> day. This made the DDs sound particularly noisy when compared with >> laterals played on the C-2, so Edison included the filter which was not >> switchable. Consequently, all records played on the C-2 are somewhat >> lacking in treble response compared with, say, the superior sound >> obtained from the Victor micro-synchronous RE-45 or RE-75 of 1929 which >> also used a similar horseshoe pickup without the scratch filter. The >> C-2 generally has a tubby, boomy sound which is fairly common with the >> early large console radios. Again, the Victor micro- synchronous radios >> were a major exception to the rule. Their advanced speaker design is >> largely responsible for their superior sound - good, well-balanced sound >> over the audio spectrum without excessive bass boominess while still >> providing extended bass response to quite low frequencies. Curiously, >> this speaker (which is generally attributed to a Kellogg design) was >> used by Victor and/or RCA in only that one model year of 1929. The >> earlier and later speakers for many years were audibly inferior to the >> 1929 model. I don't know why RCA didn't continue using the better >> design from 1929 in their later models. Probably had something to do >> with patent royalties on the Kellogg design that RCA didn't want to pay. >> >> Greg Bogantz >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fraser" >> <[email protected] >> > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison C2 performance >> >> >>> I've been meaning to ask this for some time now...how do the Edison >>> electrical reproducers sound, when playing diamond discs? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> -- Peter >>> [email protected] >>> >>> On Mar 21, 2008, at 1:41 PM, "Bruce Mercer" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes to all of the above. A C-2 I purchased some time ago had both the >>>> 12"Roth and Martinelli records (among others) in the albums along >>>> with a bunch of pop black with gold lettering on the labels. Ha >>>> anyone ever seen a 10" classical with a gold label with black >>>> lettering? Needle cuts, as far as I remember were sold from mid July >>>> to mid October 1929. They were superior sounding records. >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
