I am selling a very nice late Victor I with brass bell horn from my collection. It is all original except for felt. I am offering to the list before putting on eBay. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list for info and pictures. Ray [email protected] From [email protected] Sun Apr 13 12:48:52 2008 From: [email protected] (Ryan Barna) Date: Sun Apr 13 12:48:55 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Ada Jones Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Jones' grave is unmarked. Milford Fargo took a picture of it back in the 60s (which he sent to Jim Walsh, which I looked at last August at the Library of Congress). Not only was it unmarked, but it was very unkempt with weeds covering it. Jones is not the only person with incorrect information on her death certificate. Arthur Fields has the wrong birth year, age, and parents on his. In fact, I don't think Fields ever legally changed his name (when he applied for Social Security back in 1938, he applied as "Abraham Finkelstein"), so it's possible that the name on Fields' certificate is a false one! And what about Will F. Denny? A terrific singer of such forgotten and amusing songs like "You'll Have to Get Off and Walk," "I'm the Man That Makes the Money in the Mint," and "Up Came Johnny with His Camera." Denny was traveling with a show when he died in Seattle in 1908, and nobody knew who his parents were, or his correct age. And that's a puzzle I'm still trying to solve. At least three of us (including myself) tried to obtain Billy Murray's birth certificate at the Philadelphia City Archives, but it was never recorded in the birth registries (neither was Arthur Fields). The only primary sources we have for Murray's birth is his World War I draft card, and his Social Security application. And neither of Murray's younger brothers were ever recorded in the Colorado birth index, because Colorado did not require birth and deaths to be recorded by law until 1900. This whole discussion comes to show that you can't simply rely on one source for definitive background information. It's not my intention to reproduce incorrect information on the Internet, but it's all the more reason to share some of these original documents anyway -- to demonstrate what was originally done, then correct them. I will definitely be annotating the documents when I get a chance this evening. In response to Douglas, I would definitely like to see the discography that Milford put together. I also have some discography resources in which I might be able to improve some of it, and I'd like to share it when I create an Ada Jones section on my website. I'll let his wife Lois know about this, and I'll make an effort this week if my friend can locate any of Fargo's papers. I would be grateful for your help, Douglas. I'd hate to start over again at square one when someone like Milford spent over 40 years researching and collecting detailed information regarding Jones' life, some of which he probably never published. (This also makes you wonder what will happen to your research when you're gone -- will it be preserved someplace where future curiosity seekers will find it, or would they have to start over from scratch? This is part of the reason why I created Phonostalgia in the first place. At least if something happened to me, most of my stuff [and others] will still be preserved and accessible.) Ryan Barna www.phonostalgia.com _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 From [email protected] Sun Apr 13 13:29:17 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Apr 13 13:29:30 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Ada Jones again! Message-ID: <000f01c89da5$0d7d9dc0$6401a...@wilenzick> Hey Guys: Ada Jones' life history is interesting and all that, but aren't we going a bit overboard on that string? Anybody have anything nice to say about PHONOGRAPHS? Ray From [email protected] Sun Apr 13 13:45:34 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Apr 13 13:45:47 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Message-ID: <[email protected]> In a message dated 4/13/2008 3:17:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: (comment below) Philadelphia, PA Jas. Jones, age 31, Occupation: Bartender Annie Jones, age 20, Wife, Occupation: Keeps House Ada Jones, age 7, Daughter, Occupation: At Home Jas. H.O. Jones, age 6 mos., Son, Occupation: At Home Marg't Maloney, age 45, Mother, Occupation: At Home ----- According to songwritershalloffame.org, the family moved to Philly in 1879 and Ada's mother died soon thereafter. Annie Maloney was James' second wife (wow, he worked fast!). Margaret Maloney would be Annie's mother. -------------- so her mother and step-mother were both named Annie? Ada Jones was the First Lady of the Phonograph! Allen **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) From [email protected] Sun Apr 13 14:18:56 2008 From: [email protected] (funk) Date: Sun Apr 13 14:20:30 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <000301c89dab$fcbfdd20$6401a...@your4dacd0ea75> I read a Jim Walsh column where he spoke about Ada always having a personal assistant on these tours. He was in addendance at a concert where he saw the two arrive at the theater. Looking at the contributing cause of death it mentions chronic nephritis and the duration as "unknown". Wouldn't a companion at least been able to give some time interval? Also, if one was to die of kidney failure, one would be sick for a few days to weeks. Could Ada really have been performing one day and dead the next? Somewhere I read she died of an epileptic seizure since she was known to have those through out her life. I have always believed that was her cause of death until seeing this document. Suellen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 3:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information In a message dated 4/13/2008 3:17:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: (comment below) Philadelphia, PA Jas. Jones, age 31, Occupation: Bartender Annie Jones, age 20, Wife, Occupation: Keeps House Ada Jones, age 7, Daughter, Occupation: At Home Jas. H.O. Jones, age 6 mos., Son, Occupation: At Home Marg't Maloney, age 45, Mother, Occupation: At Home ----- According to songwritershalloffame.org, the family moved to Philly in 1879 and Ada's mother died soon thereafter. Annie Maloney was James' second wife (wow, he worked fast!). Margaret Maloney would be Annie's mother. -------------- so her mother and step-mother were both named Annie? Ada Jones was the First Lady of the Phonograph! Allen **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
