You can't see who fell for this hoax as the buyer is still scrambled. I think that this was another 'stupid' move by ebay. To keep the identity of the bidders private from the registered ebay users. When I am bidding on an item, I don't care who sees my ebay name. It's another way that ebay tries to keep things a big secret. The way it is now, if a fellow bidder is bidding on an item and the item is bogus or the seller (in the case it appears with this crook) is not one to deal with, no one looking on can warn the bidder. Ebay has gotten worse over the years and I think we can see where ebay makes no effort to confront 'shady' sellers! Tim, I think that you and several others have tried to let ebay know about this seller, and you have had no response.
Also, ebay has changed the feedback rules to encourage 'dead beat' buyers. If a buyer does not pay for an item, or if the buyer leaves unjust negative feedback on a seller, the seller can in no way, shape, or form leave negative feedback to the buyer. So with this, a seller can spend a fortune listing an item (listing fees) and selling the item to a 'dead beat' bidder (selling fees) and the 'dead beat' bidder can choose to not pay for the item. The seller is stuck with the fees and cannot even report the 'dead beat' buyer to fellow ebayers in the form of negative feedback. Yea, ebay is a true 'buy and sell' at your own risk forum. Buyers and Sellers BEWARE! The 'dead beats' and 'crooks' are out there, and out there lurking on ebay. Brantley From [email protected] Tue Nov 11 19:01:50 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Tue Nov 11 19:02:36 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Clutch shifting lever bracket Message-ID: <[email protected]> In a message dated 11/11/2008 5:22:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Art, Edison called this assembly the clutch shifting lever bracket. Hi Steve, 'Thanks for that extraordinarily complete explanation of the 2-4 shifting lever. I actually wasn't about to bid on that machine because it really looked too rough for me. But the lever was interesting in any case. ---Art **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From [email protected] Tue Nov 11 19:13:58 2008 From: [email protected] (buck Buchanan) Date: Tue Nov 11 19:14:09 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700. In-Reply-To: <99a57dd152a94883a71c4582fa750...@ronlherault> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Ron, Yes here is what he sent to me. He did not leave his name. Bill Thank you for the information. I truly appreciate it. Another eBay member alerted me that the auction was a Fraud this morning. I did not pay anything yet and did report them to eBay. Hard to believe - makes you really think about ensuring someone has history before bidding. --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Ron L'Herault <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ron L'Herault <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700. To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 9:57 PM Did the winner of the last bogus one contact you after you e-mailed? It may be shill bidding. After all, the poster stole the pics and is hoping to steel someone's money too. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of buck Buchanan Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:36 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700. Has anybody emailed this person who won the Vic III yet? Bill --- On Tue, 11/11/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700. To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 9:00 PM Yes, this is the same scum bag that put up "my" Fireside. I note eBay never responded to my warnings. Nasty business. Tim F. -----Original Message----- From: Steven Medved <[email protected]> To: Phono-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 7:15 pm Subject: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220307382319 The Vic III sold for $700. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Tue Nov 11 19:18:40 2008 From: [email protected] (buck Buchanan) Date: Tue Nov 11 19:18:51 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700. In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Brantley Very well said. I am not surprised about what ebay is doing, they want to make certain that they get their share of the sale. They don't care if the item is stolen, I am trying who did a piece on ebay and the amount of stolen goods that are being sold each day. And there is almost nothing anybody can do unless ebay wants to help and they don't because it would cost them profits. Bill --- On Tue, 11/11/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700. To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:00 PM You can't see who fell for this hoax as the buyer is still scrambled. I think that this was another 'stupid' move by ebay. To keep the identity of the bidders private from the registered ebay users. When I am bidding on an item, I don't care who sees my ebay name. It's another way that ebay tries to keep things a big secret. The way it is now, if a fellow bidder is bidding on an item and the item is bogus or the seller (in the case it appears with this crook) is not one to deal with, no one looking on can warn the bidder. Ebay has gotten worse over the years and I think we can see where ebay makes no effort to confront 'shady' sellers! Tim, I think that you and several others have tried to let ebay know about this seller, and you have had no response. Also, ebay has changed the feedback rules to encourage 'dead beat' buyers. If a buyer does not pay for an item, or if the buyer leaves unjust negative feedback on a seller, the seller can in no way, shape, or form leave negative feedback to the buyer. So with this, a seller can spend a fortune listing an item (listing fees) and selling the item to a 'dead beat' bidder (selling fees) and the 'dead beat' bidder can choose to not pay for the item. The seller is stuck with the fees and cannot even report the 'dead beat' buyer to fellow ebayers in the form of negative feedback. Yea, ebay is a true 'buy and sell' at your own risk forum. Buyers and Sellers BEWARE! The 'dead beats' and 'crooks' are out there, and out there lurking on ebay. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Tue Nov 11 19:21:24 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Tue Nov 11 19:21:36 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700. Message-ID: <[email protected]> Well the saying was used since Roman times -- Caveat emptor, buyer beware. Now, thanks to eBay and the 21st century, we have lived to see it become SELLER beware. To quote the Wicked Wich of the West, what a world...what a world..... Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From [email protected] Tue Nov 11 23:27:43 2008 From: [email protected] (Peter Fraser) Date: Tue Nov 11 23:27:59 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] We're Back! In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> care to let us know the hardware and software details of the new server? On Nov 11, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Loran Hughes wrote: > Thanks for your patience, folks. I've still got a few things to > bring back on line, such as the Phono-L home page and the chat room. > But it's been a long day, so it's "Miller time!" I'll be back at it > tomorrow. > > Regards, > Loran > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
