Hi all, I think this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY
Cheers, Chris Thatcher Graham wrote: > Shane, > > If there's a youtube video that shows how to replace the mainspring > that'd help me out. > got a link? > > -- Thatcher > > shane nolan wrote: >> I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! >> I have NOT harrassed you. I have NOT spread rumours or lies about >> you, and quite frankly, I am getting fed up with this kind of >> nonsense on these forums. >> I am the one being harrassed by a couple people from Boston, and it >> all seems to come down to a youtube video I posted, showing the >> removal & installation of a main spring. >> I've obviously upset these "repairmen" by showing how easy spring >> removal is. >> >> Now Bill, you have my email address. Please use it with proof of >> these accusations you are making. >> I am on a carers pension because I look after my elderly mother, who >> is close to disabled herself, so why would I harrass anyone because >> they are in a wheel chair? >> Your claims are complete nonsense, and posting this sort of rubbish >> on this & other boards is childish behaviour from someone who should >> know better. >> >> >> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter >> inbox. Take a look _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From waltsomm...@comcast.net Mon Mar 2 09:45:31 2009 From: waltsomm...@comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Mon Mar 2 09:50:49 2009 Subject: Small Spring Service on YouTube: ........Was Re: [Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane In-Reply-To: <49abf58e.2010...@cox.net> References: <176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49abf186.3030...@mediaguide.com> <49abf58e.2010...@cox.net> Message-ID: <49ac1b3b.2000...@comcast.net> Thanks for the link Chris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY I mostly use jigs and fixtures to hold and wind springs because of the numerous services I perform for others and the benefit that they afford me in terms of speed and safety. The technique described is applicable to 1/3 or less of the motors I routinely encounter. Most springs are significantly larger. I don't know the dimensions of the barrel or the spring in the video clip but I am guessing they are no more than about 1" wide, and based on the ease of flexing them they can't be thicker than about .019". Such a hand-held technique is okay for tiny springs like the one shown, but anyone attempting to service springs in machines like the Edison Diamond Disc or Edison Triumph (just to name two) should not attempt the job with such an unsafe and mechanically inadequate arrangement. My grip is that of a high steel worker but it falls short of what the big guns need. Once you start trying to wrestle with two springs in the same barrel or those that are wider than 1 1/4", thicker than .02" and with lengths that exceed 12 feet, the danger factor increases exponentially. I actually enjoy a certain sense of risk when I work on motors and I don't mind getting nipped (Hint: The use of red grease helps hide the damage from my wife), but there is a level at which mere risk becomes high probability. I know that some folks don't wear gloves of any sort when they work on springs, claiming that it reduces their dexterity which they say adds a risk factor that outweighs the potential of getting gashed from Pandora or one of her high tension sisters. Good, thin, Kevlar reinforced gloves are expensive, but one pair costs a fraction of what a trip to the emergency room costs. And some injuries that send you to the emergency room often result in permanent losses of dexterities (I know firsthand - pun intended). I think Shane's video pretty much shows the gore and inevitable goo that one must contend with when confronting spring service and I am glad he posted it. Regards, Walt Chris Kocsis wrote: > Hi all, I think this is it: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY > > Cheers, > > Chris > > Thatcher Graham wrote: >> Shane, >> >> If there's a youtube video that shows how to replace the mainspring >> that'd help me out. >> got a link? >> >> -- Thatcher >> >> shane nolan wrote: >>> I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! >>> I have NOT harrassed you. I have NOT spread rumours or lies about >>> you, and quite frankly, I am getting fed up with this kind of >>> nonsense on these forums. >>> I am the one being harrassed by a couple people from Boston, and it >>> all seems to come down to a youtube video I posted, showing the >>> removal & installation of a main spring. >>> I've obviously upset these "repairmen" by showing how easy spring >>> removal is. >>> >>> Now Bill, you have my email address. Please use it with proof of >>> these accusations you are making. >>> I am on a carers pension because I look after my elderly mother, who >>> is close to disabled herself, so why would I harrass anyone because >>> they are in a wheel chair? >>> Your claims are complete nonsense, and posting this sort of rubbish >>> on this & other boards is childish behaviour from someone who should >>> know better. >>> >>> >>> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter >>> inbox. Take a look _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From steve_nor...@msn.com Mon Mar 2 10:26:13 2009 From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Mon Mar 2 10:26:25 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Spring R&R In-Reply-To: <49abf186.3030...@mediaguide.com> References: <176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49abf186.3030...@mediaguide.com> Message-ID: <col118-w333b47324e8b742545e0bef6...@phx.gbl> Shane, If there's a youtube video that shows how to replace the mainspring that'd help me out. -- Thatcher I would like to add two important things to the video. First, when you are doing spring work make a diagram of the barrel and note which way the spring goes back in. This prevents problems later, especially if you soak the spring in mineral spirits and do not re install in for a few days. When I first started I found out the hard way the spring only goes in one way. Secondly, if a person is not mechanically inclined they should not try it. I am an aircraft mechanic so I enjoy working with my hands. Over the years I have asked people if they like working on their cars, mostly the ones who do not are not good mechanics because they are not interested in mechanics. It is people's interest that mostly decides what skills they have. I have worked with many springs, the Triumph is the most challenging because of the wide spring and triple barrel. With the larger barrels I keep my thumbs on both sides to let the spring come out slowly. The hardest spring I ever installed was on my Edison Standard, it was of a different alloy and was much stronger than any spring I have ever done. The worse spring I ever did was one that the maker did not shave the excess material from the holes, made the holes too small, and I spent over an hour working on it and reworking it, the inner hole was hideous to rework. I have found Sitko's springs to be top quality, better than the originals and easy to work with. I use 10 to 1 mixture of Vaseline and graphite, powdered for Victor, flake for Edison. I want to try synthetic on the next one I do. My standard that was greased in 1982 still runs smoothly so I wonder how long the synthetic would last. I avoid the springs that have the ground edges, Sitko's are rounded. Following safety precautions is important, my prescription eyeglasses are made of polycarbonate, which protected my eyes so I suggest wearing goggles. I only had one incident, which was my fault. I prefer using special high strength rubber gloves as it make clean up easier. I liked the idea of an old blanket, I normally use cardboard and that allows the barrel to move about. I am fortunate to have a parts cleaner at work which makes removing the old grease easy. Best wishes, Steve From steve_nor...@msn.com Mon Mar 2 10:32:00 2009 From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Mon Mar 2 10:32:06 2009 Subject: Small Spring Service on YouTube: ........Was Re: [Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane In-Reply-To: <49ac1b3b.2000...@comcast.net> References: <176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49abf186.3030...@mediaguide.com> <49abf58e.2010...@cox.net> <49ac1b3b.2000...@comcast.net> Message-ID: <col118-w5219e27cad3b6636aaa14ef6...@phx.gbl> Walt, Have you ever used synthetic grease? I am thinking of trying the red Amsoil grease as it does not have a bad smell. I REALLY enjoyed your post because you pointed out the dangers associated. When I remove springs I use the thick leather gloves I have. Steve > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:45:31 -0500 > From: waltsomm...@comcast.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: Small Spring Service on YouTube: ........Was Re: [Phono-L] > retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane > > Thanks for the link Chris: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY > > I mostly use jigs and fixtures to hold and wind springs because of the > numerous services I perform for others and the benefit that they afford > me in terms of speed and safety. The technique described is applicable > to 1/3 or less of the motors I routinely encounter. Most springs are > significantly larger. I don't know the dimensions of the barrel or the > spring in the video clip but I am guessing they are no more than about > 1" wide, and based on the ease of flexing them they can't be thicker > than about .019". Such a hand-held technique is okay for tiny springs > like the one shown, but anyone attempting to service springs in machines > like the Edison Diamond Disc or Edison Triumph (just to name two) should > not attempt the job with such an unsafe and mechanically inadequate > arrangement. My grip is that of a high steel worker but it falls short > of what the big guns need. Once you start trying to wrestle with two > springs in the same barrel or those that are wider than 1 1/4", thicker > than .02" and with lengths that exceed 12 feet, the danger factor > increases exponentially. I actually enjoy a certain sense of risk when I > work on motors and I don't mind getting nipped (Hint: The use of red > grease helps hide the damage from my wife), but there is a level at > which mere risk becomes high probability. I know that some folks don't > wear gloves of any sort when they work on springs, claiming that it > reduces their dexterity which they say adds a risk factor that outweighs > the potential of getting gashed from Pandora or one of her high tension > sisters. Good, thin, Kevlar reinforced gloves are expensive, but one > pair costs a fraction of what a trip to the emergency room costs. And > some injuries that send you to the emergency room often result in > permanent losses of dexterities (I know firsthand - pun intended). > > I think Shane's video pretty much shows the gore and inevitable goo that > one must contend with when confronting spring service and I am glad he > posted it. > > Regards, > Walt > > > > > Chris Kocsis wrote: > > Hi all, I think this is it: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY > > > > Cheers, > > > > Chris > > > > Thatcher Graham wrote: > >> Shane, > >> > >> If there's a youtube video that shows how to replace the mainspring > >> that'd help me out. > >> got a link? > >> > >> -- Thatcher > >> > >> shane nolan wrote: > >>> I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! > >>> I have NOT harrassed you. I have NOT spread rumours or lies about > >>> you, and quite frankly, I am getting fed up with this kind of > >>> nonsense on these forums. > >>> I am the one being harrassed by a couple people from Boston, and it > >>> all seems to come down to a youtube video I posted, showing the > >>> removal & installation of a main spring. > >>> I've obviously upset these "repairmen" by showing how easy spring > >>> removal is. > >>> > >>> Now Bill, you have my email address. Please use it with proof of > >>> these accusations you are making. > >>> I am on a carers pension because I look after my elderly mother, who > >>> is close to disabled herself, so why would I harrass anyone because > >>> they are in a wheel chair? > >>> Your claims are complete nonsense, and posting this sort of rubbish > >>> on this & other boards is childish behaviour from someone who should > >>> know better. > >>> > >>> > >>> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter > >>> inbox. Take a look _______________________________________________ > >>> Phono-L mailing list > >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lhera...@bu.edu Mon Mar 2 09:41:23 2009 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Mon Mar 2 10:41:52 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane In-Reply-To: <176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <a7eabb57e76d4d50b86a44d2747af...@ronlherault> I'll have to watch this video. It is true, it is not difficult to remove a mainspring, especially if you use the method described in Edison's literature. However, it is still dangerous and dirty. In addition, modern replacement springs that I have encountered seem to have sharper edges than the originals removed. I don't know if the originals have become duller with use or not. Replacing a mainspring should not be entered into lightly. If you are going to attempt it, you should be properly protected with leather gloves and heavy clothes. Eye protection such as goggles or a face shield is a good idea. I think inserting a new spring is actually a bit harder than taking out the old one. Now I'm going to try and find that Youtube video. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of shane nolan Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:46 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! <snip> I've obviously upset these "repairmen" by showing how easy spring removal is.
