In a message dated 3/25/2009 5:07:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
But most importantly, my Amberola 30 stylus has a small amount of black dust on it after playing the Chalmers cylinder. ----------------- Do not play wax cylinders with a diamond stylus! All the Edison wax Amberols are listed, month by month, with # and titles, in ECR. Both of yours are there... (such (wax) Amberols were made between 1908-1912). Edison Blue Amberols (celluloid) only start in late 1912. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From [email protected] Wed Mar 25 14:51:22 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Wed Mar 25 14:51:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] For Sale: Message-ID: <[email protected]> hi jerry let me see the two cabinets thanks rob In a message dated 3/24/2009 6:31:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am selling the following: 1) Oak Disk Record Cabinet- It basic on the outside but the inside is very interesting. When the door is opened, the record storage comes part way out to make record selection easier. This finish is original. $350 2) Oak Disk Record Cabinet- Another small basic record cabinet that would be suitable for a Vic II or possibly a Vic III size machine. The finish is original. $250 3) Nipper - This Nipper is 18" high and perfect in front of a Trademark machine. He's a plastic Nipper from the 60's or 70's (?) and was recently repainted and looks terrific. The price is $135. If interested, please contact me off list. I have photos and am happy to email them to you. Also, I am happy to deliver the items to Union. Thanks, Jerry Blais 541-990-0781 or [email protected] _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) From [email protected] Wed Mar 25 14:49:36 2009 From: [email protected] (Greg Bogantz) Date: Wed Mar 25 15:02:11 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Amberol question References: <1388204791-1237221918-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2044381...@bxe1220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><[email protected]><243449253-1237226057-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-4698861...@bxe1295.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><cd0f12adaa984fffb1a503766b5ed...@archimedes> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <c5468c3348d5450b99a963eba4742...@gbhpa1514n> Wax amberols are 4 minute records and were made of a "wax" formulation, the same material that was used for the last of the 2 minute wax records made during the same period (popular catalog numbers generally over 10,000). This material has accumulated a lot of interior stress over the decades, and these records (both 2 and 4 minute versions) are notorious for exploding with very little provocation. They are known to blow up just sitting on the shelf. So they are already delicate, but you should never play one on an amberola player using a diamond amberola reproducer. The tracking force is much higher than when using a sapphire 4-minute reproducer such as a model H, K, L, M, N, O, or S. So far as I know, all the wax amberol records were directly recorded - not dubbed. In fact, a number of these recordings were re-released as blue amberols. Some of the discographies identify these records. You can find that info in the BA books by Ron Dethlefson. Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Edison Amberol question > Hi group, quick question: I just bought what I assume is an early Edison > Amberol cylinder (two, actually, but my question is about only one of > them), a 4-minute black-colored cylinder in an original box that is > printed with mostly green and some gold ink (including the matching box > lid), Thomas Chalmers' reading of "Even Bravest Heart" by Gounod, #127. > > What I need to know is what this cylinder is made of. It appears, for all > intents and purposes, to by made purely of black wax. No cylindrical > former is apparent, cardboard, plaster, or otherwise, and no end rings > either. It has a most immediate sound, with minimal surface noise (though > only a bit more than a late Blue Amberol) and almost no boxy 'horn' effect > on the vocal; one of the purest sounding documents I've ever owned, just > utterly transporting (in spite of the rather stentorian performance). > > I also bought a similar cylinder from the same collection, #372, "White > Wing" by Manuel Romain. This one sounds like most cylinders sound to > me -- a copy of a copy. Where the Chalmers cylinder sounds like an > original master cylinder (and it sounds like it was taken from the horn > directly in front of Chalmers at the time, he's very loud compared to the > orchestra), this Romain one has plenty of boxy 'horn' effect, like an > acoustic recording of an acoustic recording. Do we know for certain at > which point Edison stopped recording with multiple phonographs per > performance and started making multiple copies of a single master > cylinder? The audio performance truly is remarkably degraded on the > latter. > > But most importantly, my Amberola 30 stylus has a small amount of black > dust on it after playing the Chalmers cylinder. Is it indeed black wax? > Should I consider it a cylinder that has a finite number of plays left on > it? > > > Thanks as always, > Robert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
