I believe those could be played on an Edison Amberola V, but only with the special N56 reproducer specifically designed to play 4 minute Amberol Cylinder Records. I believe you could also play those safely using an H 4 minute reproducer on any combination 2 & 4 minute Edison Phonograph (Standard, Home, Fireside, Triumph, etc. ) or of course on a later strictly 4 minute phonograph of those models using the H reproducer, or any other edison reproducer suitable for 4 minute wax .
Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:04:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Phono-L] Edison Amberol question/ Thanks, Allen. I figured as much. I won't be playing either cylinder anymore, at least until I have a machine that's safe. What would such a machine be, by the way? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Amberol question/ > > In a message dated 3/25/2009 5:07:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > But most importantly, my Amberola 30 stylus has a small amount of black > dust > on it after playing the Chalmers cylinder. > > > ----------------- > Do not play wax cylinders with a diamond stylus! > > All the Edison wax Amberols are listed, month by month, with # and titles, > in ECR. > Both of yours are there... (such (wax) Amberols were made between > 1908-1912). Edison Blue Amberols (celluloid) only start in late 1912. > > Allen > _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) > > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Wed Mar 25 17:06:49 2009 From: [email protected] (Daniel Melvin) Date: Wed Mar 25 17:07:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Edison Amberol question In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <1388204791-1237221918-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2044381...@bxe1220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><[email protected]><243449253-1237226057-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-4698861...@bxe1295.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><cd0f12adaa984fffb1a503766b5ed...@archimedes> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <7277c2c11dc04249a59f4166776bc...@danpc> Hi, The early 4 minute Amerbols were made of very brittle wax and should never be played on a late reproducer. It should only be played on something like an H or K reproducer. Any of the later ones will destory the cylinder. Please do not play these records on an Amberola 30. They are remarkably clean sounding, but they do not last like the later 4 minute amberols made of celluloid. And, the break very easily. I have several and love the quite sound they produce. But, I don't play them often as I do not want to destory them. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Edison Amberol question > Hi group, quick question: I just bought what I assume is an early Edison > Amberol cylinder (two, actually, but my question is about only one of > them), a 4-minute black-colored cylinder in an original box that is > printed with mostly green and some gold ink (including the matching box > lid), Thomas Chalmers' reading of "Even Bravest Heart" by Gounod, #127. > > What I need to know is what this cylinder is made of. It appears, for all > intents and purposes, to by made purely of black wax. No cylindrical > former is apparent, cardboard, plaster, or otherwise, and no end rings > either. It has a most immediate sound, with minimal surface noise (though > only a bit more than a late Blue Amberol) and almost no boxy 'horn' effect > on the vocal; one of the purest sounding documents I've ever owned, just > utterly transporting (in spite of the rather stentorian performance). > > I also bought a similar cylinder from the same collection, #372, "White > Wing" by Manuel Romain. This one sounds like most cylinders sound to > me -- a copy of a copy. Where the Chalmers cylinder sounds like an > original master cylinder (and it sounds like it was taken from the horn > directly in front of Chalmers at the time, he's very loud compared to the > orchestra), this Romain one has plenty of boxy 'horn' effect, like an > acoustic recording of an acoustic recording. Do we know for certain at > which point Edison stopped recording with multiple phonographs per > performance and started making multiple copies of a single master > cylinder? The audio performance truly is remarkably degraded on the > latter. > > But most importantly, my Amberola 30 stylus has a small amount of black > dust on it after playing the Chalmers cylinder. Is it indeed black wax? > Should I consider it a cylinder that has a finite number of plays left on > it? > > > Thanks as always, > Robert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
