If you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and
aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a
big dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical devices.
I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank phonograph.
Tom Jordan wrote:
Do some reading on the environmental impact of producing the batteries for
these cars. The raw materials that are taken from the planet leave the
surrounding area a toxic waste dump. Those materials are then shipped to
the opposite side of the world in ships where the batteries are built. Then
they are shipped back to the United States in the same ships to be put into
the cars.
What do we do with the spent batteries once they are replaced? Landfills?
No savings is realized whatsoever and the planet is ravaged in the process.
I put my hopes into REALLY energy efficient gas or diesel vehicles or
hydrogen. They are possible, but manufacturers aren't motivated to make
them as consumers continue to buy the old technology.
Consumers simply need to stop purchasing vehicles that pollute and vote with
their pocketbooks. Greedy corporations will come around when their bottom
lines are ravaged. It's the only way to grab their attention and get real
change.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Thatcher Graham
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Greg,
I have to point out that while $3,00 sounds like a lot, that cash is off
set by paying the equivalent of about $1 a gallon for gas. For example:
I gas up once a week, at a cost of about $30. That's over $1,500 the
first year, a total of $4,680 in 3 years. Even if the batteries all die
in 3 years, I came out ahead.
But granted. 3 grand is a helluva tune up.
Greg Bogantz wrote:
The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these
hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack. Anybody who has
ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good
for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary. The published
cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000. Anyone
who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to
shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on
the road. And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is
about 8 GRAND! No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand.
Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery
packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about operating
one of these cars is just a pipe dream. It makes good advertising
malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner
rather than later.
Greg Bogantz
----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <[email protected]>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how
long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will
need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not
a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for
phonographs!
John
--- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <[email protected]> wrote:
From: DanKj <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM
They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive
each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no
driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look
Victrola-sized, either
----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <[email protected]>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric
vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge..
John Robles
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