The theory is that the cabinet numbers all match and the cabinet number
matches the serial number plate and the mechanism serial number. I have
seen way too many of these machines that have verifiable provenance
where the mech sn and the plate sn match but they do not match the
cabinet. I have also seen the case where they all do match. there are
collectors who will tell you that a requirement of the patent laws of
the period required all numbers to match when the piece left the
factory. I have no recollection of ever seeing that in print in a
period publication though.
On 01/11/2011 12:21 PM, Steve Andersen wrote:
I guess one has to define mismatched works.......
An Amberola 1A mechansim serial number matches a corresponding nameplate which
is affixed to the cabinet. Cabinets are stamped with a different number which
is on the lid, main cabinet, and on the doors. Without the nameplate on the
cabinet, nobody can prove if the mechansim was or was not originally with the
cabinet.
I would think the only reason why a nameplate matching the mechanism would be
put on the machine in the first place would be for warranty consideration. I
cannot see a dealer swapping the mechansim without also swapping the nameplate
if the machine was brand new. I could see a dealer swapping out a mechansim
without the nameplate if the machine was used and out of warranty.
That being said,
If the cabinet nameplate doesn't match the mechanism, then one or the other was
replaced after the machine was new.
If the mechanism serial number doesn't match the stamped number on the various
cabinet parts, thats perfectly normal.
Steve
On Jan 11, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Rich wrote:
How do you explain original machines that have been in the same family since
new that have mismatched works? There are different shades of mechanisms and
for what those machines cost originally people were picky. If you expect to
find a period written record good luck.
On 01/11/2011 11:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I'd be most grateful to see period documentation of that practice. Can you
direct me?
George P.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich<[email protected]>
To: Antique Phonograph List<[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
Seems that after many of those machines left the factory the retail
dealers swapped the mechanisms to make customers happy with the color of
the machine.
On 01/11/2011 10:54 AM, Peter Fraser wrote:
See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched
numbers...
Sent from my iPhone
-- Peter
[email protected]
On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same
mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will
not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixing& matching
permanently
separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the
original machines. I'd advise against it.
George P.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Fraser<[email protected]>
To: phono-l<[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of
an
Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a
messed up III I have...
Thanks...
-- Peter
[email protected]
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