Mr. Mercer, please contact me "off list" to discuss my C-2s - you seem to have expertise with Edison electronics. My "E-mail" is: [email protected]
Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC "Austins Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971" 1404 West 30th Street Austin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954 E-mail: [email protected] > [Original Message] > From: Bruce Mercer <[email protected]> > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Date: 17-Mar-2011 10:00:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols > > Jim, > it doesn't sound like the pickup is the issue, although George Epple is the > person to contact regarding these early types of "horseshoe pickups". It's > possible that you have speaker issues that are fixable. The Peerless used a > single wound voice coil as opposed to other speaker designs that used > thousands of turns of #20 gauge copper wire in the voice coil. The speakers > must have absolutely clean and tightened contacts or the work poorly. I > rebuilt my R-1, R-2, C-1, and C-2 myself except for the pickup. These were > the four radios or combinations that came out in 1928. Later models used a > Magnovox speaker of more conventional design (green chassis). I like the > Peerless speaker because of the very high quality and the unique but can be > troublesome design. The overall chassis builds (copper color) are extremely > high quality with the Jr chassis in all but the C-1 which has the Sr > chassis. I'm curious to know which model radio you are using to play the > pickup through. Since it is an R-1 or R-2 and has the Peerless speaker, I > would unplug the radio speaker and plug into the C-2 speaker. Subbing out > the speakers will tell you right away if you are having speaker problems. If > not, the problem lies in the chassis itself. I'm going to contact you off > list to find out more about why or how they do not play well. > Once everything IS up to par the set can be fine tuned to get rid of other > sound issues by adding proper damping to the amp, speaker, arm, and > motorboard. Also, there is a "sweet spot" in positioning the speaker front > to back to eliminate any boom. Properly restored, those C-2s should sound > awesome. I use the C-2 as much as I do the C-1 because it's easier to load > unless I want the added power of the super amp and two speakers in the C-1. > > Bruce > > (btw) the pickup should track at five ounces. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols > > > > Right now my C-2 plays through an Edison radio using the same chassis & > > loudspeaker as the C-2 & yes I had the restorer make the filter switchable > > & do not use it on Diamond Discs. Both of my C-2s have been "restored" > > but do not play well. Can you all recommend someone who really knows how > > to work on them? (I have a 3rd, but the restorer kept its chassis which > > was incomplete & I've been uable to get him to return it.) Through the > > Edison Radio using the C-2 turntable & pickup, Diamond Discs sound great! > > > > Jim Cartwright > > IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC > > "Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971" > > 1404 West 30th Street Austin, Texas 78703-1402 USA > > (512) 478-9954 E-mail: [email protected] > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Bruce Mercer <[email protected]> > >> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > >> Date: 17-Mar-2011 2:05:11 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols > >> > >> Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 > > have > >> the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the > >> speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts > > to > >> obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they > >> recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. > > I > >> doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one > > way > >> or the other. > >> While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else > >> that has a C-1 or > >> C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either > > machine. > >> I rarely switch it IN. > >> Bruce > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Philip Carli" <[email protected]> > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols > >> > >> > >> Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, > > which > >> were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just > > flipping > >> the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- > >> > >> And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman > > Band > >> discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin > >> disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- > >> > >> Philip > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On > > Behalf > >> Of Bill Taney [[email protected]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM > >> To: [email protected]; Phono-l > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols > >> > >> Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd > >> decision since existing owners would have to adjust the speed of their > >> machines for these records then adjust back for any of the previous 15 yr > > + > >> worth of records. > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> From: Steven Medved <[email protected]> > >> Reply-To: <[email protected]> > >> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:22:28 -0400 > >> To: Phono-l <[email protected]>, phonolist > >> <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello lucky owners, > >> > >> How do these sound? Has anyone heard them played with the Diamond D? I > >> recently rebuilt one with a new stylus, the diaphragm was still good. > > Even > >> without the extra weight it sounds better so I assume the final Diamond C > >> with the weight from the same casting as the Diamond D also sounds > >> better. > >> > >> I played an acoustic dub of an electrically recorded DD and there is a > >> difference. > >> > >> Ron, the final DD records were recorded at 78 rpm so what was done when > > they > >> were dubbed to BA's? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> __._,_.___ > >> > >> > >> Reply to sender > >> > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amberols > >> > | Reply to group > >> > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amb > >> erols> | Reply via web post > >> > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdm9sOWhvBF9TAzk3M > >> > > zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2BHNlYwNmd > >> HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg--?act=reply&messageNum=37876> | > > Start > >> a New Topic > >> > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldjZkZWxmBF9TAzk3M > >> > > zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc > >> 3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg--> > >> Messages in this topic > >> > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/message/37876;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NDRwYjNv > >> > > BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2 > >> BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5MgR0cGNJZAMzNzg3Ng--> (1) > >> > >> Recent Activity: > >> > >> Visit Your Group > >> > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNGg5b21uBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz > >> > > E0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW > >> UDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg--> > >> > >> > >> > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZHVkODIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyM > >> > > jEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzAwMjgxNzky> > >> Switch to: Text-Only > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=Change Delivery > >> Format: Traditional> , Daily Digest > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=Email Delivery: Digest> > > ? > >> Unsubscribe > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=Unsubscribe> ? > > Terms > >> of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> . > >> > >> __,_._,___ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> This email message and any attachments may contain confidential > > information. > >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the > >> information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, > > copying, > >> forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. 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