No, no - - the 5" Berliners were pressed in Germany by two firms. Stephan Puille has had a couple of excellent articles published in The Sound Box that cover this period in detail.
George P. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mazur <phonofo...@aol.com> To: phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:48 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record So these records were pressed here in the states and shipped directly to Germany to Kämmer & Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen. What I would like to know is how Berliner and Kämmer & Reinhardt first established this relatinship? Did Berliner know the owners of the German company prior to coming to America through a prior business connection? -----Original Message----- From: Scott and Denise Corbett <sdcorb...@earthlink.net> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hi Steve and all, Here is a great source for information. This is where we found information on our little 5". 1889-1892 is indeed the awn of disc records. -Scott & Denise Corbett elow is from the website: http://www.archeophone.org/Berliner5inch/ The earliest disc records ver released : he five inch Berliner Gramophone records nline catalogue It is commonly said that the first Berliner Gramophone record to be offered n the market was pressed in the USA in October 1894. It was a seven inch ecord. But in fact Emile Berliner (1851-1929), inventor of the gramophone ecord, had made and sold records long before that date. It is a German toy aker (Kämmer & Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen) who made and marketed he very first Berliner Gramophone which was a toy with a cardboard horn, and operated with a crank, but with no spring or motor. This device put on the market from 1889 to 1892, rotated five inch records 12,5 cm) at 100-150 revolutions per minute. These records are not made of hellac like records made later, but of gutta-percha : an inelastic ompressed and vulcanized natural latex or rubber isolated from the sap of everal species of tropical tree, but mainly from Palaquium gutta. They are ressed from metallic matrixes. Both records and machines bear the mention E. Berliner Grammophon D.R.P. [Deutsches Reichspatent] 45048". The label on he reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and he mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. They are ndeed the oldest records in the world. The voice heard of most of these ecords, singing or talking with no instrumental accompaniment, is Emile erliner's own voice. This is commonly admitted and it is indeed a voice - lways the same on different records - with an audible German accent. The bove list represents the earliest disc record catalogue in the world. ----Original Message----- rom: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On ehalf Of Steven Medved ent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:18 PM o: Phono-l ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record hanks, I guess the 5" was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old ours is? I really appreciated the information. Steve > From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5" Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7" Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is "Barnyard sounds", which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5" Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end p! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 & 14. Scott & Denise -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] n Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org