A leap of faith, just like the comment about the Gulf of Tonkin. Mostly hyped by the _______ press. The North Vietnamese made their intentions quite clear and now that their history books are open, we get to see their real intentions.
> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:09:57 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lusitania > > I have seen that book also. What it lacked was definitive proof. The > autor took known facts and then added in what the possible logical > conclusions were from the final result of the sinking. A literary leap > of faith. > > On 09/21/2011 09:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > There was really not much mystery to the Lusitania sinking, if you find > > your information in the right places. I have a paperback book from probably > > 35-40 years ago,which told the whole story. The ship was armed, with > > concealed gun mounts, and was carrying a lot of munitions in its hold. The > > German government published a full page ad in the New York papers, telling > > that the ship was a warship, nand that if it were sighted on the high seas, > > it would be torpedoed, as a routine act of war. If any Americans set sail > > on the ship, they would do so at their own risk. I've seen this ad > > reproduced elsewhere since. Reprints from the ship's manifest are shown in > > this book, and show tons of munitions aboard. > > > > In addition, the captain had orders, after he sailed, tht brought him into > > the area where it was torpedoed. > > > > After the torpedo hit the ship, there were numerous secondary explosions > > from the ship. Guess why. The tale tells rthat the sub commander didn't > > realize the ship's identity until the torpedo was under way. He was said > > the remark "My God, That's the Lusitania!!". > > . > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Steven Medved [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:53:57 -0400 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Phono-L] Lusitania > > > > > > > > And just to add to that........Elbert Hubbard was on his way to England, > > on > > the Lusitania, to speak out against World War I, when it was sunk by the > > Germans......he didn't survive. Monday, August 08, 2011AN AMERICAN > > multi-millionaire has moved a step closer to realising one of his life’s > > great ambitions — solving the enduring mystery of the sinking of the > > Lusitania. Gregg Bemis, 83, who has owned the wreck since 1968, oversaw > > operations off the south coast on Saturday as divers began cutting through > > the hull of the wreck. It was 25 nautical miles south of the Old Head of > > Kinsale en route from New York to Liverpool in May 1915 when it was hit > > under its bridge by a torpedo fired from a German U-boat. > > > > The explosion triggered a mystery secondary explosion which ripped the > > hull of the 790ft (241m) vessel apart. > > > > It sank by the head in less than 18 minutes, killing 1,198 of the 1,959 > > people on board, including 39 children and dozens of Americans. > > > > The sinking caused massive controversy because the vessel was carrying > > civilian passengers, including eminent and wealthy politicians, artists, > > the art collector Hugh Lane, academics and businessmen. > > > > > > Read more: > > http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfgbmhojidcw/rss2/#ixzz1YX2wRsEr > > > > > > http://www.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html The nearly > > century-old debate about whether the passenger liner > > Lusitania was transporting British war munitions when torpedoed by a > > German U-boat is over. Physical evidence of just such a cargo has been > > recovered > > from the wreck, which rests 12 miles off the Irish coast in 300 feet of > > murky, > > turbulent water. > > Bullets from the ship now confirm it was > > carrying military cargo. Lusitania was sunk off County Cork on May 7, 1915. > > The attack killed > > 1,198 people, including 128 Americans, and helped push the United States > > into > > World War I. Ever since the ship went down, there have been suspicions that > > Lusitania was carrying live munitions. Under the rules of war, that would > > have made the liner a legitimate target, as the Germans maintained at the > > time. > > > > The British government has always been evasive about the presence of > > munitions on Lusitania. Two cargo manifests were submitted; the second, > > filed after the ship sailed, indicated there were light munitions on board. > > Some > > believe the ship was carrying much more, however, and that the British Navy > > attempted to destroy the wreck in the 1950s to conceal its military cargo. > > Now a team led by County Waterford-based diver Eoin McGarry, on behalf of > > Lusitania's American owner, Gregg Bemis, has recovered live ammunition > > from the wreck. Bemis was granted a five-year license in 2007 by the Irish > > government to conduct limited excavations at the site. He originally bought > > the > > vessel in 1968 for $2,400 from the Liverpool& London War Risks Insurance > > Association. > > This past September, Bemis's team used a remotely operated vehicle to > > penetrate the wreck. They were able to clearly identify a vast amount of > > ammunition in an area of Lusitania not believed to have carried cargo. > > The Remington .303 caliber bullets the team discovered on the ship had been > > used > > by the British military during World War I. Ten of the bullets were brought > > to > > the surface. > > "Further research needs to be conducted, but if the discovered ammunition > > was > > found in an area where cargo was not known to be stored on board, it > > strongly > > supports the argument that the Lusitania was functioning as more than a > > passenger liner," says Fionnbar Moore, senior archaeologist with the > > Underwater > > Archaeology Unit of the Irish Department of Environment, which monitored > > the > > dive. > > The bullets are in the hands of Irish authorities, who under maritime law > > are > > now responsible for establishing their owner. Further expeditions will > > search > > for additional evidence of munitions. > > "The charge that the Lusitania was carrying war materiel is valid," > > says Bemis. "She was a legitimate target for the German submarine." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
