Hi Edward ~

Like you, my folks had no particular affection for old things or machines.  
They've also both been relatively helpless with mechanical challenges of the 
most basic variety.

Though we can never know it all, I think past-life influences and cumulative 
gifts thus derived are as likely to influence our current affinities and skills 
as are environmental and familial connections.  It's a common story that the 
children of collectors have no particular interest in enjoying (let alone 
maintaining) even the most humble collection.

As for influencing factors, mentors can certainly play a vital role if one is 
fortunate enough to have them, but if that spark wasn't there to begin with, we 
wouldn't likely have drawn the mentors into our lives to begin with.  Those 
connections simply would not have been made for us.

I like the sound of the highschool boy you knew and his individuality.  The 
clothing alone makes one imagine the machine shop culture of the late 19th 
century.

Best,
Andrew Baron
Santa Fe

On Aug 2, 2012, at 2:25 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> I love wunderkinds and their stories, n' enjoyed yours,  Andrew!  It 
> reminded me of a mechanically talented HS boy I knew  a few years ago who 
> asked 
> everybody he ran into if they had any broken  lawnmowers or chainsaws.  He'd 
> usually get 'em for free, and then repaired  and sold them.  Needless-to-say, 
> he wasn't a Goth, or a Bagger, a  Stoner or a Preppie, but he wore faded 
> overalls and a tam cap!   Ha!  
> 
> Does anyone think our passion for antiques hearkens to a previous life, or  
> is it a kind of genetic affinity, or what?  My mom disdained  anything  
> old.  When I was a boy, she had barely pointed out a cabinet we had in  the 
> basement that came over from Italy with great-grand parents in the  1840s, 
> and 
> then coming home from school I saw it on the curb for the trash  collectors! 
> I reacted with horror, and squirreled it away to my clubhouse in the  
> backyard.  Though Mom called everything that played a record a  Victrola, do 
> I 
> need to say the actual Victrola was long gone by the time I was  old enough 
> to save it? 
> 
> : )
> 
> Edward
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/2/2012 8:10:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
> [email protected] writes:
> 
> Glad you  enjoyed it.
> 
> Taking the time to type out these remembrances brought out  some old 
> memories.  The only thing of real importance that I omitted, was  that the 
> waitresses at Flynns would now and then offer me a tall, icy Coca  Cola for 
> free 
> while I worked on reviving the machines; a tremendous and always  unexpected 
> perk.  I got to work on phonographs AND got free soft  drinks.
> 
> So, to the list of those who've been generous and supportive  must be added 
> the waitresses of Flynn's Dixie Ribs of the mid  1970s.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:50 AM, john robles  wrote:
> 
>> Great story, Andrew! I am loving reading all these  histories!
>> John Robles
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Andrew Baron  <[email protected]>
>> To: Antique Phonograph List  <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wed, August 1, 2012 9:09:01  PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] How it Started
>> 
>> Great to  hear everyone's stories.  Here's mine.
>> 
>> I've had an  affinity for history, machines and the phonograph for as 
> long as I 
>> can remember, and recall creating a paper model of an upright phonograph 
> before 
>> I ever had a real one.  I also remember standing in utter  awe, in the 
> Edison 
>> Winter Home and Museum in Fort Myers (now the  Edison-Ford estates), 
> gazing at 
>> the wall-to-wall, floor-to-ceiling  display of cylinder players sprouting 
> morning 
>> glory horns in such  profusion that it looked like a massive, enchanted 
> garden.  
>> I  have to admit reaching out to touch some of the uprights and consoles 
> there,  
>> lined up behind velvet barrier rails, just so I could feel the  history.
>> 
>> In 1974 when I was 12 my family moved, and within  bike-riding distance 
> of our 
>> new home was a restaurant called "Flynn's  Dixie Ribs".  For ambience, it 
> was 
>> decorated with old relics,  including Singer sewing machines and several 
> mostly 
>> 1920s  phonographs.  I don't recall if they were for sale, but my first 
>> phonograph, a "Berg-Artone" portable, was procured from there.  The  
> management 
>> was very kind, letting me tinker with the machines in the  off hours, and 
> it was 
>> there that I got my first hands-on phonograph  mechanism education.  I 
> recall 
>> that I paid for the Berg-Artone  with a fine Morgan silver dollar and 
> $5.00 
>> hard-earned from mowing  ten lawns in the Florida heat.  That portable 
> had a 
>> broken  mainspring, a punctured, wrinkled aluminum diaphragm and a 
> dangling 
>> needle chuck.  You might say that the management got the better end of  
> the deal, 
>> but for me it was a major coup to get the solid makings of  a viable 
> machine.  I 
>> got two records with it; a tired copy of  Jimmie Lunceford's "R
>> hythm is Our Business" on Decca, and "Till We  Meet Again" (paired with 
> "Have a 
>> Smile") on Victor.  
>> 
>> 
>> First I sorted out the reproducer and for a time I just spun  the records 
> by 
>> finger-on-the-label, enthralled at how so much sound  could come out of a 
> purely 
>> mechanical device.  I was already  into electronics and had built some 
> kits and a 
>> little transistorized  amplifier, so discovering that acoustic 
> reproduction could 
>> yield such  bold volume and detail was a revelation.  I also learned that 
> the  
>> motor's centrifugal governor worked quite well to regulate my  
> hand-driving of 
>> the platter, and that in its own right was an  education.  Eventually I 
> got 
>> brave, liberated the mainspring and  repaired it, and from that point 
> forward the 
>> Berg-Artone was capable  of playing records without human intervention, 
> once set 
>> in  motion.  Well-meaning adults would ask how I knew what to do, which I 
> always 
>> thought was some kind of trick question.  It never  occurred to me that 
> they 
>> wouldn't necessarily know a lot more than I  did about that sort of thing.
>> 
>> For needles, I used whatever  was in the little spring-lidded needle cup 
> and 
>> found that the pointy  ones sounded better than the blunted ones, and 
> resulted in 
>> less black  powdery buildup on the needle tip.  After that, I scrounged 
> through  
>> the needle bins of the other phonographs in the restaurant, weeding  out 
> the 
>> obviously worn ones.  In search of more, an experiment  of cutting the 
> heads off 
>> of little brads from the local hardware  store yielded poor results, but 
> added to 
>> my evolving education.   I remember the great moment when at a hi-fi 
> store, I 
>> found several  new blister packs of 25 needles for 25 cents each, and 
> bought them 
>> all.  They must have been old stock then, as none further appeared to  
> replace 
>> them.
>> 
>> The big event when I was 13, was the  acquisition from the same 
> restaurant, of a 
>> "Cecilian Melophonic"  upright model; something of an Orthophonic 
> wannabe, but in 
>> fine  condition with attractive burl overlay accents.  I derived hours of 
> 
>> pleasure listening to that machine and its comparatively full-bodied  
> tone.  The 
>> record I played most often on it was a cornet solo of  Carry Me Back to 
> Ole 
>> Virginny on a blue-label Columbia.  It had  a mournful quality, and a 
> perceived 
>> richness that seemed to also  carry me back in time.  The performer's 
> name 
>> remains embedded in  my memory; Nellie Hoone Wetmore.  Guess I was an odd 
> kid.
>> 
>> At 14 I worked for a time at a low-level antique store cleaning up  
> things in the 
>> back, and arranged to trade my time for a tantalizing  Edison Home with a 
>> brightly repainted red MG horn.  With heavy  heart I terminated my 
> employment 
>> when they sold this treasure to a  cash buyer.  Later that year came the 
> next 
>> milestone, when I  managed to buy my first Edison phonograph, a near-mint 
> BC-34 
>> console,  from a phonograph enthusiast named Mark Stark whom I met at the 
> Miami 
>> Tropicaire Flea Market.  Two weeks prior, Mark had sold me some Diamond  
> Disc 
>> records, but I quickly realized I was doing them harm,  attempting play 
> with a 
>> steel needle.  Mark had the BC-34 across  the back end of his pickup 
> truck when I 
>> bought the records.  The  following week I went back, and running through 
> the 
>> aisles soon found  Mark and his pickup truck, but no BC-34.  He told me 
> that he 
>> just hadn't brought it out that day.  I don't recall what I did to raise 
> the 
>> $135.00 for that machine, but it must have taxed every 
>> 
>> horse-trading avenue I had at the time.  I used to collect  coins, and 
> it's 
>> likely I turned in some of the collection.  The  big bonus for me, 
> however, was 
>> going to Mark's house to pick up the  machine (with much arm-twisting of 
> my 
>> new-driver older  brother).  There, my host provided us with a guided 
> tour of his 
>> phonograph collection.  My eyes must have been big as saucers, and my  
> ears 
>> standing at attention to pick up every sound.
>> 
>> My first cylinder phonograph finally came to hand about two years later 
> around  
>> 1978, courtesy of Les Goldberg at his store "Everything Audio".   This 
> shop was 
>> clear across the city, a harrowing drive on three  expressways to the 
> unknown 
>> treasures that lay at the other end of the  journey.  Everything Audio 
> inspired 
>> me endlessly with the  restored radios, phonographs and occasional 
> Jukebox in its 
>> little  front showroom, while Les toiled in back, dealing with the 
> day-to-day 
>> life of TV and tape player repair, and unappreciative  
> consumer-customers.  In 
>> his showroom, however, he had seemingly  endless piles of 78's standing 
>> precariously tall and at an affordable  fifty cents each, and I would 
> spend hours 
>> sifting through these,  hobbling out in the early afternoon with bent 
> knees and 
>> numb legs, to  get sustenance from the burger joint next door.  The rest 
> of the 
>> afternoon would be spent sorting the records into the "can live 
> without",  
>> "maybe" and "have to have" piles.  A glance inside my wa
>> llet would often dictate the final cull, though.  One day Les gave me 
> the  
>> unexpected, golden opportunity to take my pick of one of two  
> non-functional 
>> Edison Home phonographs, in exchange for returning one  to him working 
> and 
>> salable. 
>> 
>> 
>> These were my  phonograph beginnings.  I've loved the mechanics of it, 
> getting to  
>> know the artists and records, reading the histories and enjoying the  
> simple, 
>> aesthetic pleasure of seeing the machines.  As time goes  on and I 
> mature, I find 
>> myself feeling less possessive about the  machines, and spending far more 
> time 
>> thinking about the generosity  and support of the people I've met over 
> the years 
>> through this  passion, one of whom continues to be a prized mentor, and 
> others 
>> whose wisdom I've been privileged to dip into with a dedicated question 
> now  and 
>> then about a particular machine.
>> 
>> My phonograph  collection these days numbers a dozen machines, which in 
> the rush 
>> of  life tend to fade into the woodwork when left alone, but shine forth 
> when  
>> interest from other, and sometimes younger people gives them an added  
> reason to 
>> be played.  In roughly chronological order they  are:
>> 
>> An early Edison banner Triumph improved for performance  with a 2/4 
> setup, a 
>> prized Medved-rebuilt O-reproducer and Gfell  Music Master horn; a Victor 
> Type E 
>> front mount (Monarch Junior), a  Zonophone Grand Opera, Edisons: maroon 
> Gem and 
>> Home model D's, early  A-250, a Victrola XVIII, a Brunswick 17 with the 
>> dual-diaphragm  Ultona, an Amberola 50, a Kameraphone & Thorens Excelda, 
> and an 
>> electric-motored Victor Orthophonic Credenza.
>> 
>> Andrew  Baron
>> Santa Fe
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