Assuming you mean the "fancy" D, where did the "Vic V" D come into the
ranks?
Bob Maffit wrote:
Bruce:
Most recently, I read a reference to a Victor D being the "precursor" to the
Victor III, and I had recalled the Victor M being such as well.
Is the reference to the Victor D inaccurate as I suspect it was produced
during the same time as the Victor M?
Later
Bob
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ?
Since The Victor III started out as the "Victor M" (Monarch) model in 1901,
and then was transitioned to Victor III nomenclature around 1905 when the
tapered arm was first used, and there was some overlap in production with
the M Model series, there could have been some use of parts from the earlier
Monarch used on your machine, especially since your machine has and early 4
digit serial number, and a very early bottom sticker date from 1902, which
you would expect to find on the earliest of the III models which had a rigid
arm and concert sound box, and forward positioned crank. This is extremely
interesting. That horn is still a mystery, since it does not match up at all
to any that Victor was producing for any of its machines at the time, but it
fits perfectly into the elbow intended for your Victor III. It is somewhat
similar to the round pedaled horns used on the Victor O, but much larger in
length and horn opening. Hopefully someone can identify that horn, the
maker, and
whether it was from a separate Company that made the horns.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron L'Herault" <[email protected]>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:43:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ?
I can send pictures to you, if you'd like. What parts do you want to see?
Ron L
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:17 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ?
Is it possible to have a link to pictures? It sounds interesting.
Ken B.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 8:42 PM
To: [email protected]; 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: [Phono-L] early Vic III ?
I've just acquired a machine with a plate that reads "Type Vic III" with
serial number 8212 and am wondering if I have got a frankenphono or maybe a
machine in transition. It has a slotted winding shaft but it is located to
the rear of the case. I'm sure the crank has been "fudged." It is tubular
an tapered but the "down" part is not parallel to the side of the case and
the wall thickness of the slot end is thicker than that of my Vic Type 6
crank (which fits the III perfectly, BTW). The escutcheon is just a flat
plate with two screw holes and a rather large center hole that matches the
case hole. I have not found a plugged hole to indicate that a new crank
hole has been made either. There are no extra holes in the motorboard.
The motor is a Victor motor. It has lead gov. weights. Cabinet size is in
the right range. I thought that the reproducer was an early one but even
that is in doubt. It had the flat end balance springs and the round needle
chuck but the needle chuck has solder showing where it attaches to the rest
of the needle bar. It could have been swapped from another reproducer
although I don't know why the whole needle bar would not have been used.
jamb nuts are the earlier round, grooved edge type rather than nuts. The
horn seems to fit correctly, has a rivet and bayonets into the elbow. It is
petaled and appears to be brass. Oh, and one last clue, the antiques
dealer mentioned that the previous owner had lots of machines and many of
them were sold at auction. She acquired it last May along with a Victrola
IX which I did not inspect.
What are the thoughts of our listmates on this one?
Ron L
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