As far as I know, Victor didn't make any 8-4's after 1927. Does this mean all of them would have this problem unless someone retrofitted them afterward?
> From: philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 03:25:33 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4) > > The other thing to look at is the date of the machine and the angle of the > tone arm albow. Early Orthophonic machines had a tendency to wear records > faster because the lateral thrust was incorrect. Victor fixed the problem in > 1928 by offering a different elbow with a slightly wider arc as a retrofit; > they're still around if you ask the right people. I fitted one to my 1927 > Credenza. PC > ________________________________________ > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf > of Ron L'Herault [lhera...@verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:36 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4) > > The only thing you may want to really look at is the reproducer. If it is > very swollen and cracked or has missing pieces, you probably won't be able > to get it rebuilt. Then you'll have to either find a good on or a repro on > ebay or buy an orthophonic portable and use that reproducer. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Peter Fraser > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:17 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4) > > $200 is great unless it has horrible cosmetics and busted springs. Depends > upon whether you want form, function, or both. You'll want a Peter Wall > rebuild of the reproducer to realize the full acoustic potential, although > some ortho reproducers are passable as-found. > > Bass on a credenza is better because the horn is larger, of course. Not > louder or cleaner, just a little deeper. I had both for a while, side by > side, and there's not all that much difference. You'll love the 8-4 after > only having listened to pre-orthos. > > Go check it out and let us know what you find. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- Peter > pjfra...@mac.com > > > On Mar 15, 2014, at 5:32 PM, richard_rubin <richard_ru...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Thanks. Why do you suppose the bass response is better on the Credenza -- > is the horn that much louder? Is it that noticeable? And what do you think > the right price range would be? The guy seems to want $200; I doubt he'd go > below $150. And I'm not sure what kind of work it might need... > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Samsung tablet > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Peter Fraser <pjfra...@mac.com> > > Date:03/15/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4) > > > > I had an 8-4; they sound great. They don't have the bass response that the > credenza has, but they will certainly knock your socks off if you've never > had an orthophonic before. > > > > Don't sweat the pot metal thing, if the price is right you should buy the > machine and deal with the tonearm mount if you need to later. > > > > I tend to listen to period-appropriate records on each machine, and an > orthophonic will certainly play up the deficiencies of acoustic recordings. > But you can't go wrong with a big orthophonic like an 8-4! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > -- Peter > > pjfra...@mac.com > > > >> On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Richard <richard_ru...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I've been offered a Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4), and I'm wondering what to do. > I haven't seen it in person yet, so I don't know if it has any pot metal > issues; does this particular model tend to develop those? And if so, where? > Just the tone arm mount, or the tone arm itself? How about the reproducer? > And just as important, how do these machines sound? I've never owned an > orthophonic before (see other post) -- just earlier acoustic machines, and > electric machines from the late 1920's on. Do acoustic records sound best on > acoustic machines? And do later records (say, 1926 and later) sound better > on orthophonic machines, or electric? I know this is a matter of personal > preference, but I'd be very interested to hear your opinion. And does anyone > out there own an actual VV 8-4? If so, how does it sound compared to, say, a > Credenza, or a high-end Columbia Viva-Tonal? (I've seen the videos on > YouTube, but it's hard to get a sense of how they actually sound that way.) > If I want to add > a > > n > >> orthophonic to my collection at some point, would I be much better off > with a Credenza or some comparable machine? 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