sounds like a job for silicone tipped forceps.


Ron L



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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question & Edison Birthday Celebration 
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Hello Jim,

Back in 1905 when you purchased an Edison recorder it was new, being new it 
most likely moved freely.  I say this because I have come across recorders 
where I have had to sand with 2000 grit sandpaper to get them to move freely.  
2 minute recorders are relatively stable, with four minute recorders you have 
to have the flap fit perfectly or they will not track properly.  I had one 
recorder that the sound transfer tube got stuck near the top because the sound 
tube was too small to allow it to move freely.

Some people get lucky, one of the people who record commercially told me his 
recorder was as found and worked perfectly.  Another did work on his.

There are several things that make a recorder weak.  The first is a chipped 
stylus and the chips do not have to be large.  You have to look down on the 
contact side not into the cupped hole with a 30X loupe.  It takes experience to 
spot a bad one with small chips out of the sapphire.

Next is the flap, the flap must move freely.  The sound transfer tube must move 
freely.  The mica has to be good.  The sapphire cutter has to be cocked up at 
the correct angle.

Recorder styli are a challenge to rotate because metal tweezers can damage the 
sapphire and plastic ones will melt.

Steve


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From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question & Edison Birthday Celebration 
Invitation
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:59:49 +0000

Are you warming your blanks before/during recording process?  How thick is the 
diaphragm on the recorder?  Is there a gasket underneath it(i.e. between the 
diaphragm and the body of the reproducer.   Is the diaphragm waxed in place?  
Does the little tube inside the reproducer neck move up and down easily to help 
maintain a reasonably tight air path?  When you inspect the cutter with a 
magnifying glass, does it look sharp and feel sharp?



Nice blanks can be purchased from Shawn Borri.



Ron L



From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:40 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder Question & Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation



As part of what has become Immortal Performance’s annual Thomas A. Edison 
Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique 
phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a 
few of Austin’s very best jazz musicians.   However, results obtained with an 
Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate & unencumbered by four-minute 
gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn & an Edison Recorder have been 
disappointing.   The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into 
lid was weak & a ‘cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a 
foot from the instruments “f” holes was also very weak.   Only with my head 
right at the mouth of the horn & singing loud in a quasi “operatic” voice was I 
able to make a recording of suitable audibility.    The local antique 
phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI 
using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results.



The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone 
(hopefully “channeling” Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, 
trombone, tuba & percussion with piano used if it can be recorded.   Would like 
to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure his efforts would not 
register at all.



Would anyone have suggestions for tweeking the Edison two-minute Recorder to 
obtain optimum results?    Would anyone have an excellent recorder for sale?   
Would anyone have old Dictaphone cylinders for sale which could be cut off & 
shaved down to record on?



In the Edison “American Experience” documentary shown here on PBS yesterday 
evening, an 1890s film clip was shown of a violinist playing into a recording 
horn from at least a foot from its mouth.   Lionel Mapleson recorded fragments 
of actual Metropolitan Opera performances between 1901 & 1903 on an Edison 
cylinder phonograph.

If the recorder Mapleson used was a weak as mine, he would have gotten 
absolutely nothing even with his gigantic recording horn situated many yards 
from the performers yet we know he caught an amazing lot.   Therefore, the 
problem must be with my Recorder.



The Edison Birthday Celebration will begin at 6:00 P.M. on the 11th of February 
2015 & will take place at my home located at 1404 West 30th Street, Austin, 
Texas 78703-1402.    My ‘phone number is (512) 478-9954.   Please let me know 
if you plan to attend.   It should be fun, especially if the jazz musicians 
attend & I get the Recorder functioning properly!



Jim Cartwright

Immortal Performances, Inc.

1404 West 30th Street

Austin, Texas 78703-1402

(512) 478-9954





Jim Cartwright

IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC

“Austin’s Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971”

1404 West 30th Street    Austin, Texas 78703-1402 USA

(512) 478-9954    E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net





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