At 06:58 PM 5/2/2001 +0100, James Moore wrote:
> > You have tens of thousands of people testing releases today. What's the
> > difference?
>The big difference is during a release process is the time scale. There are
>likley to be more bugs in an RC as well as people reporting bugs more
>rigerously (As well as probably reporting lots of bogus/dup bugs, which are
>very tedious to trawl through).
>If this is to happen (which I dont think it should) then we need to get the
>people to understand that RC testing is this this and this, not please test
>our latest RC and send feedback, if you come accross a problem then send the
>feedback here and here so it can be dealt with, please check the bugs
>database first etc.
>If we announce PHP 4.0.6RC1 in X places then people will think oh 4.0.6 is
>released (remeber PHP users are incapable of reading anything more than
>about 10 words) lets use that; they then wont bother upgrading when the real
>4.0.6 is released. This means we will start to get bug reports saying this
>isnt working in 4.0.6 when it has been fixed in the RC phase but is still
>present in the first RC.
I don't think it should be put on freshmeat like some people suggested. I
just think that getting some more people from the PHP mailing lists to test
it is a good thing. We do want to have bugs reported during the RC cycle
and not afterwards.
>Everyone seems to be trying to fix the problem the wrong way. IMHO the
>problem here was with the Release Cycle not the amount of testing.
>Normally I test RC1 massivly then if there are problems I check for them in
>later RC's where people have said they have been fixed (or its decided that
>the bug should be fixed before the release).
>This time this didnt work for the single reason Phanto was unresposible and
>commited a huge (700 line commit) to RC7 and DIDNT test it. I asked him (as
>I asked sascha too) to when we decided to have RC8 (I think I cc'd the list)
>to test his changes throughly as I would not have time due to "real" work.
>Now Phanto obviously didnt do this, maybe someone should have caught it but
>I feel that by not testing Phanto invalidated a lot of hard work by the rest
>of the team to make 4.0.6 stable.
>I am certainly pissed off that this has happened as a lot of people put a
>lot of work into making sure 4.0.5 was stable and the problem here is not
>the testing but the developers commiting unneeded stuff to the RC branch.
>I feel we should only have x people commiting to the branch and if somthing
>is commited as late as the COM stuff was its up to the developer to test
>throughly otherwise its their head on the block.
>and remember the old proverb "Too many cooks spoil the broth"...
That was really a big disappointment as people did such a good job on the
release cycle IMO.
No doubt it shouldn't have slipped in.
And if it doesn't get fixed soon we should revert to the old version of the
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