At 06:58 PM 5/2/2001 +0100, James Moore wrote:
> > You have tens of thousands of people testing releases today. What's the
> > difference?
>
>The big difference is during a release process is the time scale. There are
>likley to be more bugs in an RC as well as people reporting bugs more
>rigerously (As well as probably reporting lots of bogus/dup bugs, which are
>very tedious to trawl through).
>
>If this is to happen (which I dont think it should) then we need to get the
>people to understand that RC testing is this this and this, not please test
>our latest RC and send feedback, if you come accross a problem then send the
>feedback here and here so it can be dealt with, please check the bugs
>database first etc.
>
>If we announce PHP 4.0.6RC1 in X places then people will think oh 4.0.6 is
>released (remeber PHP users are incapable of reading anything more than
>about 10 words) lets use that; they then wont bother upgrading when the real
>4.0.6 is released. This means we will start to get bug reports saying this
>isnt working in 4.0.6 when it has been fixed in the RC phase but is still
>present in the first RC.
I don't think it should be put on freshmeat like some people suggested. I
just think that getting some more people from the PHP mailing lists to test
it is a good thing. We do want to have bugs reported during the RC cycle
and not afterwards.
>Everyone seems to be trying to fix the problem the wrong way. IMHO the
>problem here was with the Release Cycle not the amount of testing.
>
>Normally I test RC1 massivly then if there are problems I check for them in
>later RC's where people have said they have been fixed (or its decided that
>the bug should be fixed before the release).
>
>This time this didnt work for the single reason Phanto was unresposible and
>commited a huge (700 line commit) to RC7 and DIDNT test it. I asked him (as
>I asked sascha too) to when we decided to have RC8 (I think I cc'd the list)
>to test his changes throughly as I would not have time due to "real" work.
>Now Phanto obviously didnt do this, maybe someone should have caught it but
>I feel that by not testing Phanto invalidated a lot of hard work by the rest
>of the team to make 4.0.6 stable.
>
>I am certainly pissed off that this has happened as a lot of people put a
>lot of work into making sure 4.0.5 was stable and the problem here is not
>the testing but the developers commiting unneeded stuff to the RC branch.
>
>I feel we should only have x people commiting to the branch and if somthing
>is commited as late as the COM stuff was its up to the developer to test
>throughly otherwise its their head on the block.
>
>and remember the old proverb "Too many cooks spoil the broth"...
That was really a big disappointment as people did such a good job on the
release cycle IMO.
No doubt it shouldn't have slipped in.
And if it doesn't get fixed soon we should revert to the old version of the
COM module.
Andi
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