Jordi, Of course I meant nothing condescending by my post. I had other personal communications with Mike, and I sincerely meant my words in a caring way. I'm sorry you took it as condescending, and a little surprised. However, in light of recent events I suppose we are all under a microscope. Too bad. Communication will suffer.
Regards, Adam Culp On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 12:05:24 PM UTC-4, Jordi Boggiano wrote: > > Adam if you don't have anything to add please refrain from posting. > Especially if you are just going to post exactly the kind of > condescending comment Mike talked about. > > Maybe you meant well here, but it's not coming across very well. > > Best, > Jordi > > On 27/06/2016 15:51, Adam Culp wrote: > > Too bad. Perhaps once things settle down, or you find yourself more able > > to cope with drama without taking it too personal, you might return. See > > you around. > > > > Regards, > > Adam Culp > > > > > > On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 4:05:49 PM UTC-4, Mike van Riel wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > In these last few days I have done a fair bit of soul-searching, > > both the kind where you try to reflect how you sound to others and > > on how others sound to you. > > > > In my search I have heard voices of (former) members of PHP-FIG and > > people who stick to Reddit instead of having an open discussion on > > this forum with regards to how the current situation is dealt with. > > And in those voices I have heard various half-truths and lies that > > take on a more personal form for me. > > > > The least is that this discussion is triggered by some sort of > > dislike for Paul (as is said by Cal Evans, Evert Pot and some > > others). Perhaps for some of the people on the complainers list it > > is; I know that for me it isn’t. Not by a long shot. However; since > > I posted a message in the thread people have become convinced that I > > must hate Paul for I am on ‘the list’. And that hurts me. It also > > hurts me that these people prefer not reading what I have written > > and prefer to stick to their lies and half-truths. So be it. > > > > My lefty convictions are probably quite unpopular with Paul and a > > few others here and that should be OK; they may even dislike me for > > it. Paul’s political point of views are his own; I do not have to > > like them, I may even find some of them quite creepy but as long as > > that stays out of this group than it should not bother me. As long > > as I do not have to interact with this part of Paul than that is > > fine by me; he has the god-given right to think what he wants. > > > > As I have repeatedly said in the accompanying thread, Paul as a > > person is not the cause of my dissatisfaction; his, in my eyes, > > occasional disrespectful method of discourse is. So here I am; > > repeating myself as if I were a broken record player. It is becoming > > apparent that something is off but no matter how long I reflect; I > > do not find the precise answer. > > > > So far I discern two non-mutually exclusive options, but do not > > discount others: > > > > A) I am part of the problem; I see and hear things that aren’t there > > or are far less important than I make them to be. > > B) There are more people here who exhibit or enable behaviour that I > > cannot accept in good conscience. > > > > As Paul is attributed with a profound passion and love for PHP-FIG, > > so do I hope to care as much as is attributed to him. If B were to > > be the case than my passion for PHP-FIG would compel me to address > > that or to find distress from such occurrences happening. The latter > > is not good for my sanity and the former is, publicly, not good for > > PHP-FIG; meaning that I end up losing either way. > > > > If A were to be the case, or if I have become A because of B; then > > no-one wins. Not me, not the FIG, no-one. > > > > As such, I have chosen to resign as representative for phpDocumentor > > effective immediately and in a few days I will leave the PHP-FIG > > mailing list altogether. As much as I would have loved seeing PSR-5 > > become a reality I did not have the stamina or thick skin to see > > that through. Unless someone else within the team carries the torch, > > I will be setting up a version of it under the phpDocumentor product > > as a description of the de-facto PHPDoc Standard as it has always > > been. I cannot be editor if I don’t come here anymore. > > > > As to the fate of PSR-5; I hope that someone else will continue the > > work, it would even be lovely if I can contribute to it from the > > sidelines but otherwise it will stay as it is now. > > > > I wish the PHP-FIG the best of luck and the rest and stability that > > it deserves, > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Mike van Riel > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > > an email to [email protected] <javascript:> > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:>>. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:> > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:>>. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/17f1a62c-3e21-4e2e-a882-a01cb8103271%40googlegroups.com > > > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/17f1a62c-3e21-4e2e-a882-a01cb8103271%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > Jordi Boggiano > @seldaek - http://seld.be > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. 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