> On 05 Jul 2016, at 16:08, Keith Casey <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree with the large majority of people on this thread. > > Paul’s obsession with another person on this list is bizarre. I’ve witnessed > numerous blog posts, dozens of attacking tweets, attempts to get others to > dog pile, sexualized attacks, references in podcasts, and an ongoing campaign > to end his career. It’s really disgusting and disturbing that he’s still > respected in your group. I think he needs help. > > No wait, none of that was Paul. That was a “former project representative and > community figure” who isn’t a member of FIG so considers himself > unaccountable. Convenient that.
I do not think that in the current state of FIG and in particular this thread that sarcasm is helping. We clearly have trust issues that go beyond just the choice of words so clear communication should be emphasized as much as possible at this point. Note this is just a personal request, I do not have authority to demand this :) > If I recall correctly, the first time FIG (under a different name) sat down > together was at tek 2009, an event I co-organized. It was awesome how y’all > came together and worked towards shared standards and eventual > interoperability. It was amazing. And I was ecstatic that tek was the place > you did it. > > Those early efforts made Composer and Packagist possible and sparked this PHP > renaissance and should be commended. But that’s being washed away by this > group’s recent shenanigans. Indeed it sparked an important development. That being said, it unfortunately became clear that some processes needed to be defined and as such things become more complicated. of course also while the first step was done in person, the realities of time&travel now force the bulk of the work to be done via mailing list which is of course an inferior medium for communication in many ways .. which is probably the main contributor for “drama”. > Ignoring your own rules, (dis)qualifying votes based on whim, ”governing” by > undocumented agreements at conferences, and “governing” at all. That was > never your role, responsibility or mission. A mistake was made, it was called as such by Paul and it was accepted as a mistake publicly and corrected. Again I feel like you are bringing a lot of unclarity here as to what you mean for example with "undocumented agreements at conferences” which isn’t helping. > This isn’t about Paul. This is about someone calling you on your bullshit. > > > If you have a process, follow it. > > If you’re not going to follow it, at least be honest and get rid of it. Or > fade into irrelevance. So I guess your point is that this thread is simply revenge from people who didn’t like it that Paul noticed their mistake? Fair enough, you obviously can have said opinion. As stated before I do not think that an expulsion of Paul is the right move. But I think this discussion is a good example of the frustration that people have with Paul’s communication style: 1) the mistake could have been brought up via direct email, which potentially could have saved all of us a 50+ thread on this list 2) after the mistake was corrected (without back talk IIRC), Paul continued the thread asking for a public apology 3) after the pubic apology Paul thanked and added another snark comment implying ill intend rather than accepting that it was just a mistake I personally have had to deal with much worse during my time as RM for PHP 5.3, but I do find this to be bad form and a highly unproductive way to get, what I would deem to be an honest mistake, corrected. At the same time, Paul did demonstrate his skills in keeping an eye on the bylaws better than most/all of the rest of us. This definitely is also valuable. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/24A57EBD-3A52-4B8B-834C-09E8F229F85C%40pooteeweet.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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