On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-5, Angie Byron / webchick wrote:
[snip] > However, the fact that this accusation has this many other signatories > from leaders in the PHP community who are *not* generally known for causing > drama for no reason, saying that this person is being disruptive to their > work, demonstrates to me that this person must actually be pretty > (actually, majorly) disruptive to other peoples’ work. > Angie, I have to respectfully disagree on this point. Later in your post, you criticize the counting of supporters versus non-supporters. Yet you just counted signatories and "leaders" (a very subjective category). [snip] It is absolutely, unequivocally, 500% on the person *doing the > communicating* to do said communicating in a way that doesn’t alienate and > frustrate others, *particularly* in an “official” standards body like this, > It is NOT on the person *reading* the communication to take on the extra > mental headache to “read between the lines” and try and find the nugget of > truth buried somewhere in aggressive/patronizing/whatever words. Those > who’ve said that the conduct of members of this group reflect on the group > as a whole are absolutely bang on about this. > Again I disagree. There is no way for a writer/speaker to know and avoid every single thing which may or may not alienate or frustrate one of her many readers/listeners. That's an impossible ideal. Sadly, I've lost a lot of respect for a few people whom I've admired for many years as a result of this -- and all among those trying to oust Paul Jones. I was shocked to see their names on the list of people who complained. I wondered how it got to this point and yet those people haven't spoken privately with Paul Jones in a constructive fashion? Imagine you are employed with 10 co-workers all working for the same boss. Imagine you make a perceived mistake. Do you want your boss to angrily chew you out in front of the 10 co-workers, or do you want to have a private, calm, conversation with that boss about the situation? This whole thing appears to me to be the former. Yes, people like to avoid conflict, as Angie suggested. That does not however mean they necessarily try to solve the problem in a productive manner in quiet, off-channel ways. Instead, they often stew in their complaints and then begin to share bitter thoughts with others who have them -- which only magnifies the problem, instead of solving it. It's human nature, because it's easier. It's less time consuming. It even has it's own personal emotional rewards. Doing the right thing often takes courage and effort. I would advocate that everyone involved needs to cool off for a while, and then make a real courageous attempt to find their best selves, take the long view and see if a better solution can't be found. Chris Johnson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/fcd423ca-c529-4377-94f6-d2f4e21a6564%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
