I think all of this is very reasonable. including the swag shop which I would definitely support one way or the next. not so sure it needs a separate discussion tbh.
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 at 20:41, Korvin Szanto <korvinsza...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 12:21 PM Larry Garfield <la...@garfieldtech.com> > wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, at 2:00 PM, Korvin Szanto wrote: >> > Hi All, >> > We've run into some trouble with our current funding bylaw: >> > >> > 1. Tidelift has been purchased and is now pushing their new parent >> > company's products more so than focusing on the original goal of >> > raising funds for open source projects >> > 2. We never actually were able to get Tidelift integrated into >> > OpenCollective so we still have no funding and still are putting our >> > Secretaries in a position where they have to pay for these things out >> > of pocket. >> > >> > In order to get around these issues and improve on our funding >> > structure, I've put together a pull request[1] that would do the >> > following: >> > >> > 1. Removes Tidelift entirely and replaces it with direct contributions >> > to OpenCollective, with provisions that answer to my original concerns >> > around conflict of interest and raising funds from individuals >> > 2. Allow for repaying Secretaries that so kindly have been paying out >> > of pocket to sustain our mission >> > 4. Clarifies when, how, how much, and to whom we disburse overfunding >> > as well as codifying clearly what overfunding means >> >> These three seem entirely reasonable. >> >> > 3. Grants the ability for Secretaries to create and maintain a >> > print-on-demand swag shop if they so choose to allow individuals to >> > contribute while spreading the PHP-FIG mission in their communities. I >> > would definitely be in the market for PHP-FIG swag >> >> This is an interesting idea. I don't know how successful it would be, or >> what we'd use any such revenue for, but I'm open to discussing it. >> > > I tried to very clearly define revenue disbursement in my changes, all > funds regardless of source are collected into opencollective, and any > funding beyond 3 years of expenses is disbursed to the approved recipients > in the approved percentages yearly starting with 100% going to PHP > Foundation. We don't need or want success particularly, we just want to > grant individuals the ability to easily support us in a way that's > beneficial to both parties while allowing the Secretaries to do it on > their own time as they see fit, or to not do it at all. Also I want a > PHP-FIG romper for conferences and this could make that dream come true. > > > However, this is a much larger question than just cleaning up the > Tidelift situation so it should be kept to a separate discussion and > separate vote. > > I disagree on the separate vote concern. As I understand it our expenses > are coming due this week and so we have no way to get these changes in > place before those have to be paid and so there's effectively no difference > whether this is fast-tracked or takes 6 months. > > Thanks for the quick response! > Korvin > > >> >> --Larry Garfield >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/0391fb64-de5b-4186-8af1-70cc2951e9a7%40app.fastmail.com >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/CANeXGWXS3XmyAbDC3Hzr1JHXvQXHPHXCrpzN5Y0Ya%2BEfu2kV6w%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/CANeXGWXS3XmyAbDC3Hzr1JHXvQXHPHXCrpzN5Y0Ya%2BEfu2kV6w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- http://about.me/kenguest/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/CAKcc2m83n9eb-uCvEVbchqQorgk%2BwtkKvfN9240TTJR%3DAymkSg%40mail.gmail.com.
