This is a public list and realize that :
a. Don't make assumptions
b. Don't take anything personally
Nobody here is directing "bad vibes" towards you and email communication
is questionable, miscommunication runs rampent. So that said, nobody is
partronizing you but rather are bringing up points of reference. We are
'discussing' not 'fighting' and tangents many times come about too.
The archive can be searched through the search on php.net and the link
quoted below and of course through google (I don't work for google btw :)
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general
Regards,
Philip Olson
http://www.cornado.com/
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, April wrote:
> oh look, someone's getting snippy with me for speaking on the list and
> admitting I'm a newbie already. Patronizing does get to be a reflex action
> after hearing the same question so many times, yeah. But if I can't post
> about the goodness/badness of having a newbie list and an advanced list,
> because I wasn't here in 1999 for the first one and had no idea it had
> happened, without being given tips on how to search google and get out of
> your hair while you discuss big boy things... If the volume is enough to
> make the experts snippy (which it does regularly), why are the experts this
> huge asset the newbies can't lose? If it's something that no one on the
> newbie list could answer, someone could just ask on the advanced list.
>
> Anyway, on a trying not to be controversial and contrary note, where are the
> archives? People keep saying that, but I can't find any that work.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philip Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Benjamin Munoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "'April'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List
>
>
> >
> > One suggestion for all newbies (and all) is this :
> >
> > Search the archives
> >
> > Search google
> >
> > Figure out a few keywords that will be in the answer and/or question and
> > do a search. Go here :
> >
> > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general
> >
> > Q: "I want to redirect using php, how?"
> > T: "redirect" or "redirection"
> >
> > Q: "When i use rand() it not work, why???????"
> > T: "random" or "rand" or "mt_rand"
> >
> > Or, let's say PHP gives an error, search them too :
> >
> > Q: Headers already sent, wtf?!!!!!
> > T: "headers already sent" and/or "Cannot add header information"
> >
> > Remember, the archive is HUGE so sift through the pages, use the
> > navigation (next in thread, next => ...) and usually an answer will be
> > found. YOU ARE NOT ALONE!
> >
> > When using google, append the term "PHP" and guess what, it works! Google
> > is amazing, it searches the entire world, all mailing lists, faqts, sites,
> > etc. A little research goes a long ways and who knows what else will be
> > learned during this process (hint: a lot). I digress. Want to play a
> > little game? For every question you see, research archives/google and see
> > how long it takes to find an answer. It's fun! But, each to their own.
> > It's easy to get frustrated by repeat questions but we must realize it's
> > not the same person asking over and over ...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Philip Olson
> > http://www.cornado.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Benjamin Munoz wrote:
> >
> > > April,
> > >
> > > There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP
> > > then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the
> list
> > > would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP
> newbies
> > > answering each others questions, you see.
> > >
> > > Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface
> their
> > > posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll
> likely
> > > get flooded with friendly and helpful responses. Try it :)
> > >
> > > -Ben
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List
> > >
> > >
> > > I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from
> the
> > > official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one.
> Everytime
> > > I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the
> > > headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it.
> You'll
> > > always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens.
> But I
> > > think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced
> and
> > > beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Boget, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "'Chris Lee'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow
> > > > > posters to better categorize their question, and would
> > > > > give responders a good place to hangout depending on
> > > > > their skill set.
> > > >
> > > > This has been suggested before. What you will invariably
> > > > find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe
> > > > and post to the advanced list because the beginners will
> > > > know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas
> > > > there may not be on the beginner list...
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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