At 01:12 AM 3/22/2001, Jason Lotito wrote:
wysiwyg is generally a bad thing. using tools such as allaire homesite i
can code a full site such as jrehomes.com in about 70 hours - start to
finish. it took twice as long with dreamweaver 3 due to the wonderful ppl
at MS going against the grain (dreamweaver says that they make code for any
browser, heh - far from it) - nuff said.
functions and classes aren't laziness - it called planning ahead. its nice
to reference one script and pass it one set of arguments and have it spit
back what you want. Planning ahead is saving time - not being lazy. being
lazy is wondering if someone's coded a script that will generate sql
queries because your too lazy to learn SQL. at the least you need to know
about 3 SQL commands to have a simple database driven site.
arg - i love "new age developers" always looking for the short way
out. Do yourself a favor and take the time ONCE and you'll get something
out of it that you'll use for ever. :-)
BTW - did you know what i was saying with grammar? you obviously did. so
why waste time on caps and commas etc.?
anyway - thats my two cents -
if you wish to discuss this further then you can send replies to me and
i'll forward them to /dev/null.
~kurth
> > Did you read what I wrote ?
> > First I do code, and I have coded projects with as many as 60,000
> > lines (clipper).
> >
> > In this case I run an ISP, work about 85 hours a week ( if that's
> > lazy then I the
> > laziest ). I have read most of the wrox PHP book (600 pages+), as well as
> > havinging coded a complete UAS system, with many features.
> > I hired a sub who didn't code modular, organized or for that
> > matter logical, so I
> > basically re-wrote 85% of the code for the system, BUT not having
> > the experience
> > in PHP I want to be able to 1 benefit from not having to code to
> > do some quick and
> > dirty stuff for testing, but also compare how what we have done
> > is written to the
> > results from this code. I consider many things in how I design
> > and impliment
> > programs that todays programmers don't, like why dump an sql
> > result into an array
> > because it is easy, when I know that if there are too many
> > records returned to the
> > array it could lock up a web server, or how efficient modularity
> > makes your coding
> > along with planning and organized field names, stuctures etc.
> > The perfect example is the contractor we hired and his lack of
> > experience, we had
> > a user database that would be querried for user type, standard, master,
> > administrator etc, well this guy made 5 modules 1 for each type
> > of user, and in
> > that ALL THAT DUPLICATE CODE....stupid. I rewrote the entire
> > module in a simple,
> > cleaner and more efficient function which accepts the parameter
> > of what client
> > type you want. Now that doesn't make me a PHP guru, it's just
> > the right and more
> > efficient way to do things, but there are secrets, and more
> > efficient ways to do
> > things in all languages, and I simply want to see others to see
> > how I can benefit
> > and learn.
> >
> > Before you flame at least read the entire message and make sure
> > of what the person
> > is saying, not just hey give me some code man......
> >
> > Kurth Bemis wrote:
> >
> > > At 09:08 PM 3/21/2001, Jack Sasportas wrote:
> > >
> > > ah - true laziness.....this is what gave birth to wysiwyg editors like
> > > frontpage :-) do your self a favor and get off your ass and write code
> > > like everybody else. I bet that you use frontpage too. Christ! if your
> > > going to develop then you can't be lazy. that's it i'm finished!
> > >
> > > ~kurth
>
>1) I use Dreamweaver 4.0. I coded HTML in a text editor for 2 1/2 years.
>So I use DW now because its 10x faster, more efficient to design web pages
>in.
>
>I then pull the code into a HTML Editor, and tighten up the code. Make it
>perfect.
>
>Don't assume WYSIWYG means bad. That only makes yourself look even worse.
>
>2) Obviously you are not a programmer. If you were, you would know that
>programmers are in their very nature lazy. That is why they create
>functions, and classes, and use the same code for different scripts.
>
>Before you go flamming someone, think.
>
>One more thing... I find it very hard to code standing up. So, can I sit on
>my ass and code?
>
>Jason
>
>P.S. Grammar never hurt.
>
>
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