On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 09:00 -0500, tedd wrote:
> At 2:22 PM -0600 12/10/07, Jay Blanchard wrote:
> >
> >Without order there cannot be randomness.
> 
> Without randomness, you wouldn't know what order was.

You're random with disorder.

> This is one of those yin-yang things.

Not really :)

> There is simply order and randomness existing in our minds. There is 
> no order, nor randomness, existing in nature, it's our perception, 
> clarification, and categorization of nature that demands attributes 
> be assigned to artificial groupings of identity threshold exceeding 
> objects. In other words, we decide on what IT is and then assign 
> order to IT.

Your statement is contradictory. If there is no randomness in nature
then there is no randomness in our minds since we are inherently a part
of nature-- yes even when we leave plastic lying around everywhere. We
aren't the only creatures in nature to make toxic messes (there's a
reason that you can't gain a higher alcohol concentration than about 18%
through the fermentation process).

Cheers,
Rob.
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