On 8 Jan 2010, at 20:49, LinuxManMikeC wrote:

> http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.html#coding-standard.overview.scope
> "This document provides guidelines for code formatting and
> documentation to individuals and teams contributing to Zend
> Framework."
> So as far as anything other than code being contributed to Zend
> Framework, its just a suggestion.  For your programming team, you're
> the boss, you make the decision.  The only benefit I see is preventing
> the white space mistake (as your co-worker's quote mentioned), but I
> agree with you on that point.  "Just don't put any white space
> there... moron..." :-)  Its an inconsequential option, pull rank, get
> back to work.

My opinion is that it's not an inconsequential option. Putting it in can cause 
issues, leaving it out does nothing but rub against some people's sense of 
neatness and order. Given the choice I'll always vote for the one that doesn't 
cause issues - I'd rather have people a tiny bit uncomfortable with not having 
it there than finding out there's a bit of whitespace at the end of a file when 
it could be in one of thousands. But maybe that's just me.



> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Daevid Vincent <dae...@daevid.com> wrote:
>> I'm having a debate with a co-worker about adding the final ?> on a PHP
>> page...
>> To be honest, I am the lead, and I could pull rank and be done with the
>> discussion, however I don't like to be that way. I would rather do the
>> right thing. If my way of thinking is old-school (I've been coding since
>> PHP/FI), and what he says is the newfangled proper PHP/Zend way, then I'd
>> rather adopt that, despite how icky it makes me feel to leave an unclosed
>> <?php just dangling and alone, all sad-like. In my mind, "nobody gets left
>> behind"! :)
>> Is there ANY side-effects to leaving the end ?> off? Is it any more work
>> for the compiler? And yes I know computers are hella-fast and all that, but
>> I come from the gaming industry where squeeking out an extra FPS matters,
>> and shaving off 0.01s per row of data in a table matters if you have more
>> than 100 rows. A 1 second wait IS noticeable and a 10 second is even moreso
>> -- just try to talk for 10 seconds straight without a pause. Or sit there
>> and stare at a screen for 10 seconds!
>> If the main argument is that it's to prevent white-space after the code,
>> then most modern editors that I'm aware of will automatically trim
>> white-space (or have a setting to do so). Plus this is ONLY a factor when
>> you're trying to output a header and things like that. In 90% of your code,
>> you don't deal with that. It's also obvious enough when you have an extra
>> character/space because PHP pukes on the screen and TELLS you something
>> about "blah blah sent before header output" or something to that effect.
>> What do you guys all do?
>> I also created a poll here http://www.rapidpoll.net/arc1opy
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Co-worker
>> To: Daevid Vincent
>> Actually, Zend states that you should omit the final ?> on include pages.
>> There is no harm in the action, and it prevents you from accidentally
>> adding white space after the tag which will break the code.
>> http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.php-file-formatting.htm
>> l
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daevid Vincent
>> To: Co-worker
>> Please DO include the final ?> I noticed on several of your files that you
>> have purposely omitted it. Yes, I know the files work without them, but it
>> makes things easier to see the pairings for matching <?php . Plus it keeps
>> things consistent and I'm not a big fan of "special cases" as this is,
>> especially if it's a bad habit to get into since in all other cases it's
>> required except this one "lazy" one. If you are concerned about white space
>> sending in a header or something, well then just make sure there isn't any.
>> I've had no problems and it makes you a more careful coder.
>> Thanks,
>> Daevid.
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