On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Stuart Dallas <stut...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 24 Mar 2010, at 09:36, Rene Veerman wrote: > >> unless the actual php development team would like to weigh in on this >> matter of course. >> >> yes, i do consider it that important. >> >> these nay-sayers usually also lobby the dev-team to such extent that >> these features would actually not make it into php. > > Frankly I don't give a crap whether threading is supported in PHP, it does > everything I need it to do. If I need threading I use a language that > supports it, like Python or C++. > > I love the way you call us nay-sayers like it's supposed to be an insult. I > follow the KISS principle to the nth, and as such threading in PHP doesn't > make a lot of sense to me. I'm yet to come across a problem I couldn't solve > with pure PHP, but when the need arises I have no issue mixing in a little > C++, Python, Ruby, or whatever, to meet my performance and scalability goals. > I go to the mountain, I don't sit there complaining that the mountain ain't > moving in my direction! > > My opinion, and that of most others who've weighed in, is that you're almost > certainly looking at the problem from the wrong angle. What you haven't done > is explicitly explain why you want threading to be supported. Give us a real > example of why you think it should be supported and I guarantee we can come > up with a way to get you what you want without requiring massive changes to > the core of your chosen tool. And if we can't then you may actually convince > us that threading would be a valuable feature to have available.
I did give a real life example, ie e-commerce site mentioned earlier. Amazon has the similar features of my example except they have about 30 million products without (i18n). Their I18n is different web server & db & site layout which is completely different from my example. Setting I18n aside, having the same features as my example with about 30 million products to response in about 3 seconds is very good. Even though my example only have about 750,000 products, the translations for the requested languages makes it into 750,000 * 6 = 4,500,000 rows of product descriptions. This is e-commerce site not a data warehouse/mining. What would happen then if the site has over 20,000,000 product skus with similar language translations for the descriptions? 20,000,000 * 6 = ... big number to me... > > You mentioned Facebook as an example of a popular application. Are you aware > that they only recently started using their compiler in production, and that > prior to that they were happily running PHP to serve their front end without > ever complaining that it didn't support threading? Even now, with hip-hop, > individual requests are served in a single thread, so the language itself > still doesn't support threading, and I don't hear them complaining that it's > costing them a fortune. Why? Because it's not. And if it was they would have > added it by now. > > One final thing... if threading is this important to you, then I'm sure there > are a number of developers who would happily add it in a fork of the core for > suitable compensation. Once implemented it's possible the internals team > would accept it for addition to the official version. If you really believe > it has the potential to save you a butt-load of cash, the economics of paying > for it should stack up. > > Oh, and feel free to escalate this to anyone you please. Nobody cares. > Threading has been discussed before, both on this list and on internals > (Google can tell you all about it), and every time it's been dismissed > because the cost-benefit calculations just don't add up. > >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Rene Veerman <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> php is not a hammer, its a programming language. >>> > > And bravo on the metaphor appreciation failure. Love it! > > -Stuart > > -- > http://stut.net/ > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
