Why do you insist on not including the list when replying to me?? On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Kirk Bailey <kbai...@howlermonkey.net>wrote:
> ** > You win nothing. you failed. > > the goal is to find a method that will comply with law, and compell even > the most amoral thief to refrain from stealing copyrighted material. > Watermarking would have done it, but you have wisely pointed out that the > law prohibits it. Therefore, we cannot do the one thing that would motivate > a parasite to not steal. > I think you've got our roles reversed. You said you had a way to prevent people from copying a digital asset, and I said no such thing exists. You offered the solution of watermarking with the buyer's credit card details, and I pointed out the legal issues with that, but also reaffirmed that it's still bits and bytes so it wouldn't be impossible to remove said watermark. The legal issues aren't the main point. It doesn't matter what you watermark it with, the watermark can be removed! -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ On 7/7/2011 10:07 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: > > PLEASE INCLUDE THE LIST WHEN REPLYING! > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Kirk Bailey <kbai...@howlermonkey.net>wrote: > >> Oh, it's simple. Watermark the work. Water mark it with something that >> no sane person would care to have anyone else know. >> >> Their credit card information used to make the purchase. >> > > Ignoring how freakin' irresponsible that is, it's also almost certainly a > breach of the credit card companies terms and conditions. There are strict > rules about how credit card details are stored, and distributing them in > full, without encryption of any kind, even back to the card holder, is > prohibited. > > Legal issues aside, it's still just bits and bytes. Watermarks can be > removed. > > Now, what do I win? > > > -Stuart > > -- > Stuart Dallas > 3ft9 Ltd > http://3ft9.com/ > > > On 7/6/2011 8:28 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: >> >> Again, please include the list when replying. >> >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Kirk Bailey <kbai...@howlermonkey.net>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 7/6/2011 6:08 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: >>> >>> Please include the list when replying. >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Kirk Bailey >>> <kbai...@howlermonkey.net>wrote: >>> >>>> Um, assuming dishonest intent on the customers part, why would the token >>>> NOT be shared? >>>> >>> >>> I meant shared within your system between customers. Whether you lock >>> the URL or not, if customers want to share the asset(s) they're downloading, >>> they will. Nothing you can really do about that. >>> >>> Wanna bet? I know how to make even the most selfish amoral theif NOT >>> share copyrighted material. >>> [snip fascinating technical detail bits] >>> >> >> Yeah, I'll take that bet. That's quite a claim, and one the MPAA, RIAA >> and many other similar organisations around the world would be tripping over >> themselves to throw money at you if it were true. >> >> It's bits and bytes. Anything you can come up with can be broken. It is >> categorically not possible to prevent the duplication of digital >> information, copyrighted or not. It is possible to make it pretty difficult, >> but not impossible. >> >> The way you phrased that is interesting... "I know how to make [people] >> NOT share copyrighted material" - you didn't say prevent them from doing it, >> which might suggest your method has a social engineering aspect. >> Alternatively I could be reading too much into the language you used - I do >> that sometimes. >> >> Come to think of it, I can make them not share copyrighted material too >> - make the copyrighted material something that nobody would ever want. >> What's the number for the RIAA? Oh, hang on, the record companies have tried >> that several times - they realised the business model is not sustainable! >> >> Oh, and I think you'll find most of the people who circumvent copy >> protection mechanisms are not selfish or amoral, they're just curious, >> intelligent people looking for a challenge. >> >> -Stuart >> >> -- >> Stuart Dallas >> 3ft9 Ltd >> http://3ft9.com/ >> >> >> -- >> end >> >> Very Truly yours, >> - Kirk Bailey, >> Largo Florida >> >> kniht >> +-----+ >> | BOX | >> +-----+ >> think >> >> > > -- > end > > Very Truly yours, > - Kirk Bailey, > Largo Florida > > kniht > +-----+ > | BOX | > +-----+ > think > >
